Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rona glassworks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The article was dreadfully promotional when nominated, but has been cleaned up by User:Unscintillating. I'll add it to my watchlist and I hope others will, too. Bishonen &#124; talk 18:09, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Rona glassworks

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Promotional article by two SPAs and I am turning up few, if any results from independent reliable sources. Chrissymad ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  14:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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 * I've added it to list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions on account of their museum.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, a notable Slovak company with long (more than 120 years) and interesting history and many important achievements. The Slovak article on the same topic is well developed and contains multiple reliable sources. Lack of sourcing seems to be the main objection of the nominator. As a person quite familiar with Slovak language I disagree, as I can confirm that the sources we need do exist. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 16:00, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Btw, this book, mapping the history of the glassworks, was published by the Slovak National Gallery, a major Slovak art institution. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 16:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * comment I think the article needs to be blown up and redone in this case. It currently is quite a mess and serves as little more than promotional material as added by the two SPAs. I attempted to actually fix it but I couldn't make heads or tails of anything due to the articles current state. Chrissymad  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  17:33, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep -- a well-developed Slowak Wiki article is a good indicator of notability and significance: RONA. This guidebook calls RONA "one of most popular Slovak glassmakers": link. I believe that's sufficient for a keep, as additional sources are likely to exist (or already present in Slovak wiki). K.e.coffman (talk) 01:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete on second thoughts, per WP:TNT. I attempted to edit the article to reduce promo language, but I'm afraid it would not be any good. No prejudice to recreating with reliable sources should an unaffiliated editor decide to take on this task. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:26, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment It would be a shame if TNT deletion obscured the sources being used here, so I've dumped the whole list down below:


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 * Bibliography
 * Bárta Jan: Náčrt k dejinám sklářství na Slovensku. In: Sklářské rozhledy. 1947, č. 1, s. 9-12
 * Mondok Ján: Z dejín výroby skla v Lednických Rovniach
 * Húževka Milan: Hviezda výtvarného neba Karol Hološko. Bratislava: Ametyst, 2000, ISBN 9788089031580
 * Janovíčková Marta: Úžitkové umenie a remeslo po roku 1900. In: Dejiny slovenského výtvarného umenia – 20. storočie. Ed. Rusinová Zora, Bratislava: SNG, 2000, ISBN 8080590311, s. 237-241
 * Kolesár Zdeno: Genéza a vývoj dizajnu. In: Dejiny slovenského výtvarného umenia – 20. storočie. Ed. Rusinová Zora, Bratislava: SNG, 2000, ISBN 8080590311, s. 256-261
 * Schrammová Ágnes: Umenie a remeslo. In: Dejiny slovenského výtvarného umenia – 20. storočie. Ed. Rusinová Zora, Bratislava: SNG, 2000, ISBN 8080590311, s. 250-255
 * Michalides Pavol: Umelecké remeslá na Slovensku. Bratislava: Tatran, 1980
 * Michalides Pavol: Úžitková výtvarná tvorba na Slovensku. Od polovice 19. storočia po súčasnosť. Bratislava, Pallas, 1978
 * Michalides Pavol: Výtvarná kultúra výroby. Bratislava: Slovenské pedagogické nakladateľstvo, 1984
 * Palata Oldřich: Sklo na Světové výstavě Expo 58. In: Bruselský sen. Eds. Kramerová Daniela – Skálová Vanda, Praha: Arbor vitae, 2008, s. 116-131
 * Palata Oldřich: Československé sklo po Světové výstavě Expo 58. In: Bruselský sen. Eds. Kramerová Daniela – Skálová Vanda, Praha: Arbor vitae, 2008, s. 276-287
 * Toran Eduard: K umeniu okolo nás: užité umenie a priemyslové výtvarníctvo vo Sväze slovenských výtvarných umelcov. Bratislava: Slovenský fond výtvarného umenia, 1965
 * Račeková Jarmila: Sto rokov sklárne v Lednických Rovniach 1892 – 1992. Spojené sklárne, Lednické Rovne, 1992
 * Pišútová Irena – Bakošová Jindra: Katalóg slovenských sklární. In: Sborník Slovenského národného múzea. História, 17, 1977, s. 227-245
 * Pišútová Irena – Bakošová Jindra: Katalóg slovenských sklární. In.: Sborník Slovenského národného múzea. História, 18, 1978, s. 154
 * Pupala Štefan a kol.: 75 rokov Spojené sklárne Lednické Rovne 1892-1967. Spojené sklárne, Lednické Rovne, 1967

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Does WP:TNT apply here?
 * The point is that if this gets TNT deleted, nobody will have to request admin assistance just to find what sources were used. Nyttend (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I think the topic is notable, but some parts need to be cut right back, particularly the awards section, that could just list notable prizes (if any). Also in some parts it is so poorly written that you can't tell what they are trying so say. These too could go- Designers, Museum. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:14, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: may need a major rewrite, but topic is almost certainly notable. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 02:51, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * At the very least, the manor/museum merits an article, and some of this could be merged into that. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 03:00, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- the article still contains uncited & promotional content; for example: Rona_glassworks and Rona_glassworks. I don't believe this article should be kept unless this is addressed. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 08:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Coffee's question remains pertinent: does WP:TNT apply here?
 * Comment -- I'd say yes. The article is clearly a product of a single purpose account (see Special:Contributions/Karla1974) and contains much unencyclopedic content. It's poorly written and organised. I'd say, if the company is truly notable, a non SPA editor would come along to create an article. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:53, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:22, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * TNT Delete this. There seems to be an excessive amount of promo and there also seems to be evidence of attempted machine translation. Unfortunately, I find this way too promotional (in fact the article is eligible for G11 as it is) and the effort required to sift through this is much more than what will be required to write it from scratch. I would say delete this and let another interested editor start it over again. -Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:35, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If it's possible to amend my original nomination, pretty much what said.  Chrissymad  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  22:38, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep I applied a major rewrite.  As per WP:PRESERVE, it is a policy to work together to fix problems.  Unscintillating (talk) 21:20, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.