Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rongjie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus (default keep). JERRY talk contribs 04:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Rongjie

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Can't be verified, the name gets zero google hits, could be a hoax. Polly ( Parrot ) 00:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Trying a search on Xing Rongjie does bring some sort of confirmation of the assertion that he was made a major general in the People's Liberation Army in 1955, according to a list on the PLA's newspaper's English site. . That said, I don't know how notable the subject is. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 01:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   —Eastmain (talk) 03:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   —Eastmain (talk) 03:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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 * Comment. Is there a relevant Chinese-language site which verify these claims? Is there a corresponding article in the Chinese-language Wikipedia? --Eastmain (talk) 03:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * zh:邢荣杰 was just created today as a copyvio from the same official biography. cab (talk) 03:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a hoax (an English google search is quite insufficient for figuring that out); Chinese name is 邢榮傑. However, I don't see enough to write an article on this guy --- just a few passing mentions in various books and lists . Apparently the only thing that's been said about this guy even in Chinese is the one-paragraph official biography that the PLA puts out for all of its higher-level staff; the Baidu Baike article on him appears to be copied from that: . cab (talk) 03:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Probably pretty notable; just needs sourcing. We need to careful of systematic bias when we compare these sort of entries to, for example, British and American generals. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm quite aware of Systemic bias concerns, but even Chinese media haven't written about him. cab (talk) 03:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think that holding the rank of major-general is enough to be notable, although there is no consensus on this. Is there a People's Liberation Army counterpart of the Navy List which might offer more detail than the Baidu Baike article? --Eastmain (talk) 03:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but how many generals were there in the PRC army? Perhaps we should look for something distinctive--it's here in this case; the military attache of Socialist Republic of Vietnam Embassy would have been a very significant figure. DGG (talk) 04:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Between 1955 and 1965 (when ranks were abolished due to the Cultural Revolution), the PLA promoted 1,360 people to the rank of Major General . cab (talk) 05:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - seems to meet notability requirements on a basic level. Finding sources might be problematic, but someone having held his positions meets notability. matt91486 (talk) 05:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: The article is a clipping.  There are no sentences, per se, and just a jumble of half-stats.  It can't be here in this form, as it does not establish context, and Wikipedia is not the graves registry of anywhere.  It's not a biography, and it does not demonstrate notability of the figure.  At any moment, the US, for example, has several thousand generals.  While achieving such a rank might indicate notable achievements, it is not notable by itself.  If the achievements aren't listed and context provided, this is "delete until someone wants to write a real biography."  Utgard Loki (talk) 17:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails to meet verifiability standards. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  02:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.