Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronnie Apteker


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The result was Keep Beeblebrox (talk)

Ronnie Apteker

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This article fails to meet WP:BIO. I find no sources in Google News or Google Books apart from an entry in a South African Who's Who. Such Who's Who books are not accepted as reliable sources as they count as self-published. Being a company director is no guarantee of encyclopaedic notability. Having been marked as needing sources for over 18 months, there seems little reason to expect the article will improve. Ash (talk) 09:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- Ash (talk) 09:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  -- Ash (talk) 09:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong keep plenty of notability to meet guidelines see for example and . ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * (note) There may be some confusion in this article as the sources shown by ChildofMidnight above make no mention of film directing as per currently included in the article. The IMDB entry may be factually incorrect (IMDB is created by user data entry) assuming two different Atekers are the same person.—Ash (talk) 08:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually looked into that, and I'm pretty sure it's the same person. He seems to be involved in the movie business as well. For example (and I know these may not be a reliable source) "Ronnie Apteker, the founder of Internet Solutions and a leader in the local film industry." and We’re privileged this morning to be chatting to Ronnie Apteker; entrepreneur, movie maker ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a reliable source confirming that the Internet entrepreneur and the film producer are the same person. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:50, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I find the nomination statement, "I find no sources in Google News or Google Books apart from an entry in a South African Who's Who", difficult to understand, as the spoon fed links at the top of the article point to 112 news articles (admittedly most of them by the subject rather than about him) and 10 books. The news results inlude the Wired article that I linked above and the book results these three books. These seem to just about get the subject over the general notability guideline. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Book mentions are extremely trivial. This guy is in the business of promotion. He needs more than a few throwaway sentences in minor books to meet notability. Miami33139 (talk) 06:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak keep. There's definitely independent coverage about him, like the Wired (magazine) article given above. I'm not familiar with ZA sources, but there are probably more reliable sources among all those news links. Pcap ping  23:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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