Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronnie Gardocki


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Haleth (talk) 06:26, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Ronnie Gardocki

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"nothing but very brief mentions - zero real world notability" VideoGamePlaya (talk) 13:46, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - zero real world notability. Simple brief mentions, fails WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Background: The article was first redirected in 2017 with this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ronnie_Gardocki&diff=765593563&oldid=765525569 The article was in a poor state at the time; excessive fancruft, unsourced OR, zero real-world information and the redirect proceeded undiscussed, perhaps unsurprisingly. Following some recent work I've done on Vic Mackey and Kavanagh's articles, I thought there may well be some justification for the inclusion of other prominent characters-- Shane came to mind, and to a lesser extent, Ronnie and Lem. I decided to resurrect Ronnie, trimming the fat and adding real-world info. I knew from the start some may oppose this. Reasoning: I thought his role as the most prominent breakout character in The Shield per Digital Spy https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a809365/12-minor-tv-characters-who-ended-up-stealing-the-whole-show/ (and many of the other sources provided), might meet notability. Most of the sources already provided do, admittedly, mention Ronnie only trivially. Others, however, mention him in detail, Salon in particular. Also, I had intended to add more to this article, but I'm going to wait and see what the general trend is here before doing anything. Specifically was going to use this source by Robin Abrahams http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/missconduct/2008/09/if_you_were_cas.html and one or two others which I can't seem to find now but will add later.VideoGamePlaya (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep or merge I'm not sure I understand because I agree with the weak keep of VideoGamePlaya but they are also the nom for deletion. This article has WP:POTENTIAL even as an older series especially if someone is aware of the issues and willing to work on it. We can revisit it again after it's had more time. Archrogue (talk) 18:59, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment My bad, I should've cleared that up. I'm the guy responsible for resurrecting and rewriting this article. Another user expressed concern that it contains "nothing but very brief mentions [and] zero real world notability" and restored the undiscussed redirect of 2017 I mentioned in my last reply. I knew there would be some opposition to this article, and I was undecided even myself at first in regards to its notability, so I took it upon myself to nominate for deletion, as I'd like to know what the feeling is among others before attempting any more improvements. That being said I still believe in the weak keep, for the reasons given above.VideoGamePlaya (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment If that is the case, you should withdraw this nomination (which will be procedurally closed as Speedy Keep by another editor), as you are not actually making a case for deletion because the topic does not meet the WP:GNG threshold in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. May I suggest that you start a discussion on the talk page. or ask for assistance from members of this Wikiproject. An AfD is not the appropriate avenue to get the attention of editors who may be interested in improving an article, especially when you don't actually believe that the article's issues are insurmountable yourself per WP:ATD. Haleth (talk) 04:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Admittedly I'm new to this, and I assumed submitting one's own work for review here was an acceptable thing to do. I wasn't sure from the beginning if this article was notable enough to justify inclusion on this website. Still though I thought I'd give it a go in good faith. My nomination was simply to ascertain what others thought about the article's suitability before committing any more of time to it. I also saw the process as inevitable - indeed, another user quickly expressed concern. Apologies for any inconvenience. Edit: To add to the inconvenience I'm also unsure how to withdraw a nomination as you've asked. Is there a proper way to do this?VideoGamePlaya (talk) 05:46, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


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