Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Room101


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was REDIRECT to Room 101. &mdash; J I P | Talk 05:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Room101
NN. No goggle hits that i can see. Jwissick (t)  (c)  16:51, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Edit conflict on listing it. Fails to establish notablility, fails WP:MUSIC. Nothing on allmusic (although there was an entry on "RM. 101" with no content in it). Plenty of hits on Google, but "Room 101" is extremely common, esp. in the US, where it's used to note a primer class in high school or college (e.g. Chemistry 101). I don't know if that's true elsewhere. --Blackcap | talk 17:01, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Our encyclopaedia articles on Room 101 and Room 101 (TV series) provide other reasons that you'll find this turning up a lot in Google searches.  &#9786; Uncle G 17:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I forgot all about the 1984 connection. Good point, and what a great book. --Blackcap | talk 17:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per blackcap. Ryan Norton T 17:38, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect Room 101. -- RHaworth 18:16, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Confused Is this band notable - if so keep.  If not then turn into a redirect to Orwell's Room 101.  Is that what we're saying?  Dlyons493 19:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Who are you talking to? This is a vote, so we're not saying anything collectively. See WP:AFD and WP:DP. If what you're asking is what's been said up to this point, then it's that this band fails WP:MUSIC and thus should be deleted, while RHaworth says that this should be turned into a redirect to Room 101. --Blackcap | talk 14:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, the one thing that it isn't is a vote. It's a discussion, to obtain a consensus.  Uncle G 22:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That may be the idea, but from the AfDs and RfAs that I've been in or witnessed, it's more of a vote counted somewhat like but not actually consensus (i.e. a majority won't win, but a large majority, anywhere from 2/3+ will depending on the admin, his/her mood and the article in question). As I am part of a cohousing community, where consensus is used to solve all problems and do everything (establish the community's budget, landscaping, etc.), I am intimitely aquainted with how consensus works. If one person says no, consensus is not reached. Consensus doesn't mean that everyone agrees, it just means that no one is actively blocking consensus by saying, "This is unacceptable." WP, on the other hand, likes to say that we work by consensus, but we don't. We work by majority rules, and instead of having a 51% majority count, we say that a 67% majority (more or less) counts, and 80% for RfAs. The fact that we require a high majority doesn't change the fact that rarely is there actually a consensus in an RfA or AfD. And anyway, few AfDs are actually discussions. It's often taken as rude to ask about or otherwise query into someone's vote, as their vote is their vote and it counts as much as anybody elses regardless of their reasoning (unless they're a sock or their vote is completely irrelevant to the topic). I have seen, both AfD and RfA, people ask about a user's vote and recieve an answer of, "I don't have to or want to tell you," which here is considered a completely valid answer. So, in a place where that's acceptable, there's hardly a discussion or a consensus. I could write for hours about this, but I don't want to take up too much more of your time talking about this semi-unrelated topic in this AfD. --Blackcap | talk 00:29, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You have expressed the decision succinctly. The only question therefore is whether the band satisfies the WP:MUSIC criteria.  It certainly doesn't going by what the article says.  There are no hits, no albums, no tours, no notable members, no awards, and no press coverage.  The article also cites no sources and no sources of information about the band can be located.  (What 84.191.192.85 points to below actually tells us less than the article at hand does &mdash; which also raises a question about how much of this article is verifiable.) Uncle G 22:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Room 101. --TM (talk) 01:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Don´t DeleteIt cant be found on google if you write it like this. I tried out " Room 101 Crust" and there were tons of hits concerning the band -Unsigned post by 84.191.192.85. This is this user's first post. --Blackcap
 * Just because it's on Google doesn't make it notable. For information on band notability, see WP:MUSIC. Also please see WP:DP. --Blackcap | talk 14:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.