Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RoomSaver


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. NW ( Talk ) 00:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

RoomSaver

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I don't think that this company's notability is established by reliable independent sources -- the sources cited (at least those I can verify) appear to be PR sites, press releases, or travel sites of the variety "here's a list of travel tips". Furthermore, the article is written in a promotional fashion ("has assisted millions of people"). NawlinWiki (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment All citations have been updated with clickable links and can now be verified--BDHuneycutt (talk) 16:30, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Majority of the citations provided are from newspaper or magazine articles searched in a University Database including articles from Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine, Hotel & Motel Management Magazine, The Orlando Sentinel, The St. Petersburg Times, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and Business Wire Magazine. They are correctly referenced according to the database provided citations and are legitimate/reliable independent sources. NawlinWiki makes the claim that the links he can verify are either PR or press release sites, but the only information used from those sites are information about the updated website which is factually based information. Any other information that references one of the PR/Press release sites also provides a link to a reliable independent source. The only promotional fashion that is easily identified is the statement "has assisted millions of people." It is a statement of fact, but If that is the only issue, it can and has been edited out. This page should not be deleted.


 * As an organization, it is significant for being the first travel coupon guide of it's type, only national publication of it's type, and for it's website being the top travel coupon website. I am the primary author.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BDHuneycutt (talk • contribs) 17:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)  — BDHuneycutt (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 18:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Would this not have made a Speedy G11? The references are of the Press Release/Promotional/Life Style/Directory listing variety without any supporting independent sources.  As any hotel with empty rooms will offer a discount the only notable aspect here seems to be their creation of a  coupon business to achieve the same but this aspect seems to have passed un-noted anywhere.  Lame Name (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I would agree with you except for the fact that legitimate and reliable sources were used along with a few Press Releases. Those press releases however are only used to attribute fact based information, i.e. information about the website and a few other pieces of information that are backed up with further independent sources including articles from Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine, Hotel & Motel Management Magazine, The Orlando Sentinel, The St. Petersburg Times, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and Business Wire Magazine, which are not Press releases, promotional, life style or directory listings. Just because an independent source can not be linked to online, does not make it unreliable. The page does not qualify for Speedy G11 for this reason.--BDHuneycutt (talk) 19:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Plenty of Ghits, but as NawlinWiki pointed out, they're basically PR sites or blogs. (By the way, I struck out the second "strong keep" up there because that user already voted.) THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 18:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Press releases do not merit notability, they merit releases of info to be published by the press.  If the press writes about this company independently of the PR, then we'll have something.  -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 23:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you read the page? Press releases are only referenced on factual statements, like website information, and not for promotional reasons. There are more references where the press writes about this company independently from the PR as you mentioned than actual press releases are referenced. The issue here is not that press releases are slightly used but that there aren't any clickable links to the newspaper and magazine articles online. The information CAN be found as referenced if searched within a database. This does not merit means for deletion. Non Press Release articles referenced on this page include an article from Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine which does not publish press releases, a article titled "Exit Information Guide has been acquired by Virginia-based Trader Publishing Co." which is an article on a merger, as well as a title "In case of a hurricane" which is not a press release, and also "Roomsaver.com and CouponSurfer.com Sign Exclusive Marketing Pact; Cross Promotion to Increase Traffic to Both Sites" which is another article about a merger in BusinessWire which is clearly not a press release--BDHuneycutt (talk) 00:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I get the feeling that you did not review WP:CORP, as you are touting the press releases. I have no doubt as to their verifiability, but you will also note that WP:CORP specifically states that these are primary sources, as they are written by the organization/corporation in question or for them.  We need articles about them, from third parties.  Please see the end of the primary sources section pertaining to corporations (linked twice) insofar as this is concerned. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 01:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I placed the rescue tag into the article that I had removed from here in the AFD, as the rescue tag is not appropriate for AFDs. Why do you rescue an AFD? Rescue an artcle! =) -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 01:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have been trying to make the RoomSaver page as wikipedia friendly as possible, it is my first page and I want to perfect this page prior creating other pages. I had no idea it was this difficult to create an encyclopedia entry. I do not think that this page deserves to be deleted, as there is very good information provided, even if a few references are considered press releases. I've seen worse pages with significantly less references that just have a warning at the top stating the problems with the page. I hope that RoomSaver qualifies to receive one of those warning instead of being deleted. If it doesn't, and if this page has to be deleted, please move it to my edit space so I can work on it further to meet Wikipedia's qualifications. Thanks. --BDHuneycutt (talk) 16:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)--173.186.127.198 (talk) 14:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Adding on a userfy !vote in light of BD's comment. =) BD, if it gets nuked and you don't get the userfied page, you'll need to ask an admin for assistance - they're generally happy to oblige. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 00:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I just did a heavy cleanup job on this to see what (if anything) was left, and came to the conclusion that there's nothing to save. If you took out everything that's solely attributed to press releases, all you have left is that they exist. I don't doubt that, but that isn't sufficient for them to have an article. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 05:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - and regarding BDHuneycutt's comment above that "'Roomsaver.com and CouponSurfer.com Sign Exclusive Marketing Pact; Cross Promotion to Increase Traffic to Both Sites' which is another article about a merger in BusinessWire which is clearly not a press release"—sorry, but you're incorrect. Business Wire is (to quote from the WP article), "a company that disseminates full-text news releases." That's what they do. The fact that it's from BW means that it is a press release. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 05:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Thank you for trying to salvage this article. I was doing more research and found this article:, but since I am not fully understanding of what is a press release and what is not and I didn't seem to correctly cite the pages I found, I thought I would share it here before including it in the page in an attempt to receive some feedback. For the record, even though, apparently much of the sources are press releases, there are newspaper article that are cited. How many article are needed in order to make this a legit page? As I said before, I've seen other wikipages that have few if any sources and they simply receive a warning at the top of the page stating that the page lacks information. This page clearly does not lack information, it is just the sources that are problematic. How can this be resolved? --BDHuneycutt (talk) 16:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.