Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Liu


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The result was keep. consensus is sources, subsequently unchallenged, demonstrate topic is notable per GNG. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Rose Liu

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Non notable singer. References do not adequately satisfy subject's notability criteria for singer. Fails WP:NSINGER. DMySon (talk) 11:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Per nominator fails WP:NSINGER; also fails WP:GNG. See WP:NOENG: editors arguing for Keep are requested to provide translations of claimed significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.  Springnuts (talk) 12:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG, poorly sourced and not notable. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Does not meet any of the criteria at WP:NMUSICIAN, and note that #9 requires high placement in "major" music competitions. This singer has a few mentions of placement in contests that are not notable in themselves, and her other achievements have not received reliable coverage. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 13:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: I haven't done a search for more sources because I think the sources in the article its self and the zh-wiki article would already make quite a strong case for meeting GNG. The best source currently would be this article by Yahoo. This article from Qilu Evening News would probably be reliable if WP:XINHUA applied, more questionable sources exist, this Apple Daily article appears to give significant coverage but its reliability is questionable outside of Hong Kong per RSPS and this article by Tencent would likely be reliable (again, under WP:XINHUA) and give significant coverage but potentially has a COI due to the article focusing on the subject competing in The Voice of China which Tencent also gained the streaming rights to.  Just ' i ' yaya  15:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * who requested a translation of the sources, I will try to provide a translation of the title and list the amount of mentions of the subject below for what I think are the 2 best sources (for reference the subject's Chinese name is 劉明湘 (traditional Chinese) or 刘明湘 (simplified Chinese)):
 * Yahoo: 9 mentions + referred to as 她 (she in Chinese) 6 times. "Second place winner in One Million Star season 5 Rose Liu decides to create her own portal to success *figurative language, I tried doing planning and finding business opportunities herself."
 * Qilu Evening News 15 mentions + referred to as 她 8 times. "Rose Liu sang 'Across The Ocean To See You' and captured the attention of Na Ying"  Just ' i ' yaya  16:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for your analysis of the sources and translation of the titles which I've used below in my list of sources. Cunard (talk) 10:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  This is an 822-word article about Rose Liu. The article notes: "Liu, a native of San Francisco, California, is a graduate of New York University with degrees in economics and psychology. Following her graduation, Liu initially worked for her mother back home in Oakland, California, which gave her the opportunity to come to Taiwan and study Mandarin. Liu is no stranger to Taiwan, as it is not only the country where her mother came from, but also the one in which her maternal grandparents still reside, in the Sihhu Township of Yunlin County. During summer holidays in the United States of America, Liu would return to Taiwan to stay in Sihhu and spend her summers."  The article notes: "Practicality led Liu to New York University and degrees in economics and psychology. She began working in real estate and then accounting. But during a 2009 trip to Taiwan to study Mandarin in preparation of taking over her mother’s business, her cousin convinced her to sign up for the 'Super Star Avenue' competition at the height of the show's popularity." <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "Rose Liu is more in line with everyone's definition of "good girl". Born in the United States, she has always obeyed her parents' arrangements and plans. First, she was admitted to New York University with double majors in psychology and economics. After graduation, she became an accountant. ... Although her participation in the singing competition did not get the full support of her parents, Rose Liu won the runner-up by virtue of her strength."</li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "Rose Liu, who won the runner-up in One Million Star 5, has participated in programs such as "American Idol" and "Sing! China". Rose Liu, who grew up in the United States, often goes shopping at MRKT5 in private, as if she is in a foreign country."</li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "Rose Liu was the runner-up of "One Million Star 5". Her 12-year career in acting was not smooth. After 3 years of not doing well, she set up a new music brand "Xiangxiang Studio" and became the principal and struck the bell. She shouldered the responsibility of garnering corporate publicity, doing administration, accounting, price negotiation and other work, and is expected to release a new EP in July."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Rose Liu to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep as passing WP:NSINGER #1 and the WP:GNG. Per sources identified above. gidonb (talk) 14:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep ivo sources above; many thanks for translations: all works for me as now clear WP:GNG pass. Springnuts (talk) 16:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. In the intro, the nominator indicates that they are basing their nomination on the references. These are the sources in the article. However, per WP:NEXIST: Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. The bold is in the source. So we would not miss out on this important guideline! In other words, per nominator's own intro, this article should not have been nominated for deletion. gidonb (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * CommentThanks for editors who helped with translating sourcces.Addisonson (talk) 10:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


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