Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Thornton


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The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 20:57, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Rose Thornton

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Mayor of small town and thus fails WP:NPOL. No indication she passes GNG either. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. DannyS712 (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep (note: I created the article as a translation) - per WP:NPOL, "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage." are considered notable. As the first female mayor pro-tem of the city, as well as its longest serving elected official, she meets this local-level bar. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:04, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That is meant on a national/international scale as shown by the footnote which says "Generally, a person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books on that field, by historians. A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists." I would suggest that a local newspaper, even offering repeated coverage over the length of her career, does not meet this standard. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * There are many more sources listed at es:Rose Garland Thornton that are offline and I haven't had a chance to verify DannyS712 (talk) 20:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I considered those sources. There are some that would suggest notability for her husband but nothing that help establish notability for her, in my opinion. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:04, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Mayor pro tem is not the same thing as mayor; it makes the person effectively the deputy mayor, not the mayor mayor. But deputy mayor of a small town is not an NPOL-passing office, being the first woman to hold that role is not a free ticket to being more special than everybody else who held it before or after her, and the footnotes here do not represent the type of "significant press coverage" that we're looking for: exactly zero of them actually represent press coverage at all. Three of the four are primary sources which are not support for notability, and even the one that actually is from a newspaper is just her paid inclusion obituary in the classifieds section of the community hyperlocal rather than a journalist-written news article. And even the citations in the Spanish article are still routine local coverage of the type and volume that every municipal councillor in every town or city that exists at all can always show, not notability-making nationalized coverage that would make her more special than other deputy mayors of small towns. We also do not automatically keep Wikipedia articles just because they happen to be translations of articles on other language Wikipedias, per WP:WAX — it's remarkably unclear why the Spanish article even exists, because it's not making a strong case for notability as a politician either. Frankly, its existence almost certainly has much more to do with the fact that the Spanish page creator's entire edit history pertains very heavily to Thornton's husband than it does with her actually passing the Spanish Wikipedia's notability standards for politicians — I'd nominate the Spanish article for deletion too, if I could read or write Spanish to do it. Bearcat (talk) 15:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete - she was merely the deputy mayor of a small suburb. She fails WP:POLOUTCOMES specifically and general notability. Bearian (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "Small" is putting it mildly. This is a place that if you count the land is just 1.1 square miles with less than 3,000 inhabitants. It claims 19 square miles, but the remaining 18 square miles are its cut of Lake Saint Clair.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:29, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong delete Grosse Pointe Shores is a very small by population suburb of Detroit, with people with over inflated egos who think they and their location is much more important than they really are. Someone with a position like this in Detroit would not be n0otable, in Grosse Pointe Shores they are default non-notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


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