Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roses Are Red (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Per the comments below. The article does meet WP:GNG and WP:BAND. (non-admin closure) Vaca  tion  9  00:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Roses Are Red (band)

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I am making this nomination on behalf of an IP user who made a speedy-deletion nomination with the following rationale: "This page contains incorrect information and is using the names of popular music industry executives to draw attention to it in searches, this is a verifiability issue and is a breach of Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons. This page is also for a band who has never charted once on any of the billboard charts, The band also isn't around anymore, and hans't sold enough albums to meet the relevant criteria for content of the encyclopedia . Because of these reasons the page fails to meet the relevant notability guidelines required for wikipedia. Over all this page in unsuitable." The article history shows edit-warring over the last year and more intensely over the last few days. See also arguments on the article talk page. Procedural nomination: I express no view. JohnCD (talk) 23:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. JohnCD (talk) 23:25, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Some of the arguments against keeping this page are arbitrary and personal in nature. In regards to incorrect information, no attempt was made by other editors to correct any problems. Correct, verifiable information was simply removed over and over again for personal reasons (without explanation on the edit history page), which explains the edit-warring. Claims of "using the names of popular music industry executives to draw attention to it in searches" is not a very solid argument, as there is no reason to draw attention to the page (i.e. there are no advertisements or products/services for sale, so nothing to gain by any party). In addition, Wikipedia has no "albums sales" requirement, so this claim has no merit. However, in terms of Wikipedia's actual notability requirements, I believe this band to be notable enough to be included on Wikipedia for meeting the following criteria, as outlined here.

-hsxeric (talk), 9:15 15 February, 2013.
 * They have "been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself," appearing in many online stories including some published by prominent sources such as SPIN as well as multiple magazines during their time as a band, including Outburn, Revolver, AMP (for which they donned the cover), Metal Hammer, and Alternative Press, who covered the band many times and nominated their second major-release as one of the "most anticipated" of 2006.
 * The band "contains two or more independently notable musicians," featuring members of Polar Bear Club, William Tell, Cute Is What We Aim For, and Hit the Lights; the latter two acts having multiple releases that have appeared on the Billboard charts.
 * They have "released two or more albums on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable)", this being Trustkill Records, which was active from 1993-2010 and is notable for having several notable artists on their roster (Bullet for My Valentine, Poison the Well, Eighteen Visions, all of which have had multiple releases reach the Billboard charts) as well as wide-reaching international distribution via Universal Music Group.
 * They have "performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., inclusion on a notable compilation album", that being the Taste of Christmas compilation and the The Killer in You: A Tribute to Smashing Pumpkins compilation, both of which feature a roster of many notable bands.
 * They have "become one of the most prominent of the local scene of a city", that being Rochester, New York, where there have been very few artists able to achieve greater success than Roses Are Red.
 * They have "received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of a national concert tour" regarding their two appearances on the Vans Warped Tour (2004, 2005).
 * Keep. The band received sufficient coverage to be considered notable via that route. --Michig (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - appears to meets WP:GNG and WP:BAND #1 with coverage in multiple reliable sources.  Gong   show  23:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.