Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Daniels (activist)


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 15:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Ross Daniels (activist)

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Non-notable subject, not updated in years, shouldn't have been created in the first place. Tenaqzn&#39;f Fbvyrq Gubat (talk) 08:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. Was previously nominated for deletion and kept in 2007. The combination of having spent four years as chairman of Amnesty International's International Executive Committee and heading the Queensland Council of Social Services gets him over the bar of notability in my book. The article needs a rewrite to focus on his civil society work rather than his failed election campaign but he's still notable. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete Certainly fails WP:PROFESSOR, certainly fails WP:POLITICIAN. Last AFD had only one iVote, TheDroversWife voted to keep it then, as now.  Assertion that activism is notable is plausible, problem is not only that the page shows no news articles about him, it is that I can't find any.  Googling him with keywords Queensland University produces only old election results.  Googling him with keywords Amnesty International produces no news hits at all.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:09, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Followed link on talk page, thought I was linking through to the prior AFD. Instead it took me to this page.  Often useful to look at old AFDs.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Here it is: Articles for deletion/Ross Daniels (politician). The page has been moved since then. Frickeg (talk) 22:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. you provoked me to look again.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * search results' a Proquest search on his name and Amnesty International not limited by date turned up 30 articles (number is inflated because it includes wire service stories that showed up in several newspapers) They mention his name,  "Other members of the mission including....  and Ross Daniels of Amnesty International will travel today to the Thai-Burmese border to interview Burmese refugees. They have been denied visas to enter Burma.", this one  gives his title "The chairman of the Amnesty's International Executive Committee, Australian human rights lecturer Mr Ross Daniels, said yesterday that..."  One quotes him Amnesty International "has lost a dedicated campaigner..." when somebody died..  No articles that I found focus on Daniels, or discuss him.  A search in google books came up with similar results: a few mentions, no discussion of the man himself.  An executive committee chairman of for an NGO certainly could be notable,  but the only way to establish that would be for  journalists or academics to write articles about him, articles that, as WP:GNG puts it: "addresses the topic directly and in detail".  delete E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 18:40, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * While I agree that having served on the international executive board of a major organization like Amnesty International would be enough notability to qualify him for an article if it could be properly sourced, for the moment this is resting entirely on primary-sourced verification of his existence rather than media coverage. The unsuccessful candidacy counts for nothing toward getting him an article, and the article contains unsourced detail about his personal life (wife's name, personal downtime hobbies, etc.) of the exact type that tends to make me suspect conflict of interest editing by somebody who knows the topic personally. No prejudice against future recreation if a good and properly sourced new article can be written that rests on Amnesty International instead of his failed candidacy, but in its current form this version is a delete. Bearcat (talk) 15:07, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - If the article can be sourced, quickly, I have no problem with keeping it. However, the claims in the article need sourcing.  Right now, the only citations to his service on Amnesty International are his own speech and a dead link.  It might need so much work as to be started from scratch. Bearian (talk) 12:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. I looked at the sources again, just to be careful, and every one of them is a primary source; at least one is a dead link. Much of the information is a WP:BLP violation, with claimed but completely unsourceable data. Yet again Wikipedia is on the news as being unreliable; this article is another piece of evidence our critics need to hammer us over the head. I call on anyone who wants to keep this to fix it, now. Bearian (talk) 12:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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