Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Jeffries (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   '''Speedy keep. The article is extremely similar to the way it was at AfD2 in November 2008. DRV (in response to AfD2) would be the correct venue to appeal this, not starting the process over with the same article.'''. Tan  &#124;   39  04:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Reads like an advertisement. Trivial mentions in unreliable sources.  This subject is not notable.  Chicago Smooth (talk) 09:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  —--Marc Kupper&#124;talk 08:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Ross Jeffries
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 * Strong Keep given the following evidence of WP:N:
 * Playboy magazine, July 1998 - 5245 word article about Ross Jeffries. The existence of the article is verified by front cover images where "The tricks of speed seduction" is visible.
 * Rolling Stone magazine, 781 (March 5, 1998): p.51(7). - Unknown size article by Erik Hedegaard. Jeffrie's web site says it's titled The Sultan of Schwing - Sex Tips That Work!. The abstract in my local library database reports the title as "Take my course," says Ross Jeffries, "and you will get laid!".(class on seduction).. Abstract: "Ross Jeffries is a self-proclaimed master of seduction, who claims he can teach any man the art of seducing women. Jeffries has recognized that most men would like to have sex with beautiful women, and he aims to teach them how to attain that goal."
 * Front magazine, February 2002 - Unknown size article but with a reputed title of Pulling a Fast One Speed Seduction - Existence of the article is verified via cover image.
 * Marie Claire magazine (UK Edition) May 1996 - 2271 word article about Ross Jeffries. Unable to verify on line and as it's the U.K. edition I did not check my local library database.
 * STUDIO For Men magazine, AUTUMN/WINTER 1997 - 2008 word article about Ross Jeffries. Unable to verify on line. Unable to find evidence of a magazine named "STUDIO For Men" either. There is For Men on Wikipedia but that article says it started in 2003. The small thumbnail on Jeffries's site shows a title of "For Men" but that's too generic to help find this magazine on line.
 * Book coverage
 * Bigge, Ryan A Very Lonely Planet: Love, Sex, and the Single Guy Coverage of Speed Seduction from page 167 to the top of page 169.
 * Clink, Tony and Witter, Bret The layguide: how to seduce women more beautiful than you ever dreamed - 16 page chapter about Speed Seduction. Verifiable on line with the first two, possibly three pages being on Ross Jeffries and the remainder covers Speed Seduction.
 * Markoe, Merrill Merrill Markoe's Guide to Love - Coverage runs from page 57 to 61 but is mostly a review of the Speed Seduction course.
 * Sands, Christopher Be Romeo: Guidebook for the Modern Lover - 22 mentions from page 24 to 83. It looks like little coverage of Jeffries though he's quoted several times and several pages are either about or borrowed from Speed Seduction.
 * Strauss, Neil The game: penetrating the secret society of pickup artists - While the book is in Google Books I could not spot detailed coverage of Ross Jeffries. He's mentioned 40 times from page 11 out to beyond page 410.
 * Zdrok, Victoria Dr. Z on Scoring: How to Pick Up, Seduce and Hook Up with Hot Women Coverage of Speed Seduction from page 215 to 217.
 * Google Scholar has 27 hits. Many of those are either junk or overlap with the book hits though this masters thesis titled Picking Up and Acting Out: Politics of Masculinity in the Seduction Community has a page or so on Jeffries. I'd call it weak or perhaps no coverage as the author was covering the Seduction Community field and used Wikipedia plus one of Jeffries' books as a source for the Ross Jeffries/Speed Seduction section.
 * The WP:N qualifying coverage that addresses the subject Ross Jeffries in detail is in the early magazines. His Speed Seduction system likely gets enough coverage to merit its own article. With the two combined in a single article it's a strong keep. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 07:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.