Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Petot


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus, default to keep. Jayjg (talk) 02:06, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Ross Petot

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Procedural nomination: this was originally WP:PRODed and then incompletely listed for WP:AFD. I have no opinion as to the notability of this person. Mangoe (talk) 20:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep Ross Petot is known worldwide. He often plays with Neville Dickie when Dickie is in America. He was often written up in The Mississippi Rag which had a worldwide distribution discussing traditional jazz and ragtime. The article does have sources by the way. And because he has a lousy website is one of the stupidest reasons ever to claim a person is not sufficiently notable. I believe the user Paul whatever has no idea about this person as I have no idea about punk rock but that is not a reason to remove an article. Dwain (talk) 23:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Delete Fails WP:BIO.His fame is only in New England. His website merely reinforces his obscurity. By the way, I am a huge jazz fan .Paul210 (talk) 17:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your assumption that Petot is only known in New England is patently false. He is known widely in Europe, Canada and the US. People are even playing music that he composed. Here are just two examples at the Mather Dance Center in Ohio his ragtime compositions were used and at Cliburn a piano competition Martin Gross an East Texas resident played Petot's "Atomic Suffle" in 2007. Pretty interesting for someone who is supposed to be only known locally. Dwain (talk)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — J04n(talk page) 21:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Non-notable musician. Fails WP:BAND, etc. -- Scjessey (talk) 21:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I think that this artist qualifies under the BAND policy, probably under criterion 1 but certainly under criterion 7. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 22:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Local musician with local coverage only (Boston-area musician who plays at (very small) Boston-area places and gets covered in the Boston paper once). He does not meet criterion seven, because there is no local "stride piano scene", and there are certainly plenty of local jazz musicians in a major city like Boston.  The website reference isn't independent, and obviously does not confer notability, and with no indication of the distribution of his releases, there's nothing that really shows that he meets BAND. MSJapan (talk) 22:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence offered of this international or even national fame and barely any suggestion of even municipal fame. --Calton | Talk 14:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - He's recorded albums, he's mentioned in the Boston Globe as well as in other newspapers.Tris2000 (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Those "other papers" are trivial mentions and are simply notices of artist lists at festivals. Most tellingly, every hit in that search is primarily from Massachusetts or Connecticut (with two New Hampshires). We also have very specific criteria for what constitutes an album release that confers notability, and that has not been met at all, seeing as how no one has been able to find these albums or even who released them and when. MSJapan (talk) 18:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Response - just had a look on Crazy Jazz (the British jazz catalogue of albums for sale) and found two Ross Petot albums immediately: link title which lists two albums, the first from 1999 and the second from 2002, both on the Stomp Off label:
 * 28712 : THE BACK BAY RAMBLERS - JON-ERIK KELLSO / BILLY NOVICK / JOHN CLARK / BOB CONNORS / ROSS PETOT / PETER BULLIS / SCOTT PHILBRICK / VINCE GIORDANO... : CUTTIN' UP - (1999) : STOMP OFF : £14.50 :
 * 25875 : THE BACK BAY RAMBLERS feat. JON-ERIK KELLSO / BILLY NOVICK / JOHN CLARK / BOB CONNORS / ROSS PETOT / PETER BULLIS / VINCE GIORDANO / BILL REYNOLDS... : RED HOT BAND - (2002) : STOMP OFF : £14.50 : Tris2000 (talk) 14:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, as those are not solo albums, I would say they don't really help for Petot's individual notability, as notability is not inherited. This, by the way, is the site for the Stomp Off label (which is a sub-catalog of another label), and it is therefore difficult to say that it is even a major jazz label. MSJapan (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You are correct Tris2000, Stomp Off is a major label for Trad Jazz. Just the fact that a British company is selling music featuring Ross Petot is proof alone that he is known beyond New England as has been suggested. Good work. Dwain (talk) 22:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

KEEP As per Anthony_bradbury. Friuli (talk) 20:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
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