Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Ring-Jarvi


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The result was   no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Ross Ring-Jarvi

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Non-notable hockey player, fails WP:NHOCKEY, no evidence he passes the GNG.   Ravenswing   19:34, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. Dolovis (talk) 05:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep or Redirect to Alaska Aces (ECHL). This current ECHL player played the 2012–13 season in Norway's top professional ice hockey league. Note: The sheer volume of AfD nominations by this editor (37-plus in the last three days alone) makes it impossible to fully research all of the articles to prove they meet GNG. Expecting any editor to properly research this large number of articles for GNG sources is not realistic or fair, especially when one considers that many of these AfDs require searching non-English sources. Going straight to AfD with this many nominations, without first using PRODs or appropriate tagging, is disruptive. The nom should be reminded that deletion is a last resort, and per WP:BEFORE should only be used after other alternatives have been fully explored. Dolovis (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Merely playing in the ECHL or the Norwegian league does not, by themselves, satisfy NHOCKEY's criteria.  That being said, as many as a hundred articles go to AfD every day, and no one expects any editor to research all of them on the spot; happily, since these are Wikipedia's articles, and do not "belong" to any one editor, there's no onus on any one person to do so.  What is seriously disruptive is creating so many BLP articles without even a cursory attempt at proper sourcing.  Perhaps, rather than creating yet more NN sub-stubs, you could turn your attention to that.   Ravenswing   06:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. nn player. Resolute 19:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete A search shows up no sources that meet GNG. Also fails NHOCKEY. -DJSasso (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 *  Keep - Ring-Jarvi may not meet the criteria of NHOCKEY, but I have found significant coverage of him that equates to a GNG pass. Sources:, , , .-- Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 16:08, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject has coverage in Norwegian media as well . The GET league is Norway's top flight of ice hockey, and playing in it is enough to pass criterion #1 or #2 of WP:NHOCKEY. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:57, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: None of the sources listed come beyond routine sports coverage debarred by WP:ROUTINE. As far as the Norwegian league goes, it is not regarded among those leagues considered a "top" professional league; those leagues are the NHL, the KHL, the SEL, the SM-liiga and the Extraliga.  The GET-ligaen is considered a lower level league which requires a player to satisfy Criterion #4.   Ravenswing   14:57, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * (1) Where does it say that the GET league is "lower level"? (2) An article in Tønsbergs blad portraiting a player as far beyond "routine coverage" and well in excess of what is normally required to pass GNG. The WP:NSPORT FAQ says plainly "if the subject meets the general notability guideline, then he/she meets Wikipedia's standards for having an article in Wikipedia, even if he/she does not meet the criteria for the appropriate sports-specific notability guideline". Sjakkalle (Check!)  15:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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