Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rotterdam International Secondary School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Core desat 06:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Rotterdam International Secondary School

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Delete - No notability proved. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Delete... although I tend to think articles give some leeway when they're new, the way in which this one is written doesn't inspire confidence and, of course, makes no assertion of notability (or this would be a temporary 'keep'). The question is not whether the school exists- we believe that- the question of why and how it is notable. Existence is not good enough for that. Epthorn (talk) 12:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - I found it easy on Google I'll go add a reference.  Sting_au    Talk  12:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's changed a bit since it was first created. Could do with some more improvement, but I do think it will survive the AfD.  Sting_au   Talk  13:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh and I went and welcomed that kid that had been trying his heart out to get this article started. All he had on his talk page was a bunch of deletion warnings! It's no wonder people don't bother with Wikipedia. Great place for anal retentive's though. I guess I just don't have that attention to detail that's obviously needed to become a good editor?  Sting_au   Talk  13:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's always better to have a welcome before warnings... if someone creates their account just to start a page sometimes it just happens that way. Thanks for giving him one... hopefully whether or not his article gets deleted he won't take it personally. Epthorn (talk) 13:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. "High schools/secondary schools (all jurisdictions) are considered inherently notable", as per the proposed WP:SCL guidelines. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, there is no consensus there for "inherently" notable schools at this time. Anyone can propose a guideline, but until it's agreed to it isn't meaningful Epthorn (talk) 16:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem is custom and practice ... other schools are listed in this way and are in fact linked from wiki's own list of international schools. It would not be resonable to delete this one without deleting all others ... At least it does not reproduce what is on the web site and adds information that is displayed not there. Of course it is worthy of note that the school exists and contributes to the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theriss (talk • contribs)
 * Keep. There are appropriate sources available, so it passes WP:N. I think its too premature to decide this by the proposed WP:SCL guidelines. Epbr123 (talk) 14:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nowhere in WP:N does it say that a source is notable if its existence is verified. I'm in about three phone books and have two papers published, so my existence is verified (plus my passport!) but that doesn't mean I'm notable. Epthorn (talk) 16:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I meant that there are appropriate sources easily findable on Google. Epbr123 (talk) 17:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - agree with Epbr123.    Gtstricky Talk or C 16:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good to see the support for keeping this article. What might be of interest to some is a message left by the teacher of the RISS students that was left on my talk page User talk:Sting au Now getting that message almost brought a tear to my eye.  Sting_au   Talk  22:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I fail to see why a schoolteacher should be congratulated for writing an article about his own school. If a businessman came along and wrote an article about his own business stating "Rotterdam International Software Services is in the Blijdorp area of Rotterdam close to Rotterdam Zoo. It has an excellent reputation and customers from all over the world buy their products." and he had 65 GHits consisting of himself and professional organisations of which he is a member, he'd be laughed off of Wikipedia. cab (talk) 00:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete I can't say I understand the deletion/notability policies very well at the moment, but I don't see anything "notable" about this school. Any famous alumni? Any record or reputation amongst its peer institutions? Plus, aside from its own website and the other 2 websites briefly introducing the school, does it feature in any substantive literature? Shiva Evolved (talk) 22:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment The process of "adding references to an article" is not done by inserting links to the school website in between tags at the end of sentences containing self-serving comments like "The school has an excellent reputation". Find some intellectually independent sources, please. The fact that they get zero GNews archive hits does not exactly inspire confidence. cab (talk) 00:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * weak keep This school has an IB program which establishes some notability. -- Hdt 83     Chat 01:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Probably the better view is to consider all HS as notable for the sale of avoiding the need for these discussions, since almost all of them will be if enough work is devoted to them. DGG (talk) 05:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Article as it exists makes claims of notability, with additional sources available to be added. Alansohn (talk) 06:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment... eh? What claims are you talking about, exactly?Epthorn (talk) 07:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.