Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rouse High School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John from Idegon (talk) 17:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Rouse High School

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Article makes no claim of notability. What sources I could find were local routine coverage and mere mentions. Since schools have no innate presumption of notability, the fact that the subject fails GNG indicates deletion. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 21:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Au contraire. I don't like boring articles, but the guidance is this: "Articles on high schools and secondary schools, with rare exceptions, have been kept when nominated at Articles for Deletion except where they fail verifiability." Rouse exists. There are sixteen articles about other high schools in the county. Fine.  I'll keep my powder dry for a fight I believe in.  I don't believe enough in this one. I'm fine with this direction. Rhadow (talk) 22:18, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that you, like many others, have fallen victim to circular reasoning. While I understand the political issues behind deleting articles about schools the community has decided that "Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist." Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 22:41, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a pubic high school in Texas with thousands of students. Back before high schools were routinely kept in AFD because of the presumption of notabiliy (not a claim of inherent notability, like for tiny hamlets or every sports person who played one minute in the major leagues, and not a regurgitation of common outcomes, so forget the "circular reasoning " sophistry) I had occasion to search for reliable sources to support general notability and notability per WP:ORG. In each case for a large US public high school, suitable refs could be found, but not necessarily instantly and without paywall and online. Many large regions of the US have no newspaper available online, and it is not practical to dash to some college library in the state the school is located in to verify that such high schools get significant coverage in the state's major newspapers. Found that the  Austin American-Statesman had coverage of a knife attack on an art teacher in a classroom ( they still will let students use Xacto knives in class.) Then there was a male student charged withraping a female student in a closet in the same art department. A teacher/coach was charged with sexually assaulting a student. As the school added upperclassmen to the initial freshman class, the violleyball program was covered for moving into a more demanding conference or bracket. The program similarly received praise.  That was all the articles I could view in the Austin paper without subscribing. There were several more links to stories abut programs and non-routine occurrences at the school, such as coverage of the arts proram, Will try and check other Texas newspapers when time permits. Edison (talk) 02:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I am aware of these mere mentions by local media coverage, as I explained in my nomination. I don't find that coverage enough for GNG. Please be careful with attempted accusations about sophistry, especially when you mispell the term and fail to refute the point. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 02:24, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Per Special:PermaLink/767023947, secondary schools are not presumed notable. Any arguments of editors supporting "keep" based only on the fact that this is a secondary school and precedence must be heeded to may/must be discarded as not based in policy as a consequence of the recent broad assessment of consensus.The editors are advised to instead vet whether the afore-discovered covg. is significant enough.
 * Weak keep - Although the coverage is sort of routine, the sources are local and seem to be reliable. Since they are local, they should be able to verify this much better. Also, there are references to a governmental website, and governmental agencies are pretty reliable. These two things combine to make me think that we can verify the information presented, which is the whole point of our notability criteria. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  19:38, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. 'Circular reasoning' does not change the precedent of a process that has been firmly established through literally thousands of AfD closures over many years. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:50, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades of Godric On leave 03:42, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Question -- if a high school is not inherently notable, then why are railroad stops and tram stations offered a pass on requirements for references? Rhadow (talk) 15:24, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep it is a high school. However badly closed was an RFC about high schools, it remains simply best to keep articles on secondary schools. Even the RFC closure was not clear, anyhow. -- do ncr  am  02:28, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, reliable source coverage is evident here of a nature and quantity sufficient to meet Wikipedia's standards.   This is a large public high school in Texas, part of a sizeable and growing school district in the Austin metropolitan area. The school has several thousand students, competes in sports and other interschool activities, and receives coverage in the metropolitan media and other sources, sources of the sort accepted by the RfC and longtime practice as evidence of notability. E.g.    Typical of how U.S. school districts are covered in Wikipedia, we have an article for each of the Leander Independent School District's high schools, including this one; deletion here would simply cut a hole in the current coverage of the school district, a notable governmental entity, without in any way improving the encyclopedia. Whatever the RfC was intended to accomplish with respect to tiny parochial schools and the countless unverifiable commercial education institutions of South Asia, it did not authorize or recommend the removal of articles about large, independently verifiable public high schools like this one. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:53, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


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