Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roxanne (drinking game) (relist nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Keep. --Luigi30 (&Tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; &tau;&omicron; m&epsilon;) 22:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Roxanne (drinking game)
One of the unsourced, and at this time externally unverifiable drinking game articles listed in a mass deletion earlier today (Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game)) Per the closing statement of this aborted mass-nomination, this is an individual relist of the article. Please consider the article on its own merits, and not on the fact that many articles of this type have been nominated today -- Saberwyn 10:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Adding a request for verifiable sources to this article page would be a good way to start this process.  Not having verification isn't an automatic deletion criterion, being unverifiable is - an important distinction.  Before nominating an article for deletion, shouldn't the nominator at least research the article themselves, adding the sources if possible?  I haven't tackled notability as this is not the reason given for nomination, but all drinking game are cultural memes that have lasted in many cases for centuries and appear in various places in popular literature etc. Also, the category listing didn't work because this sort of leg-work needs to be done on each drinking game article in turn.  If some are verifiable and considered encyclopedic material by other editors, then the category delete is null and void. Vizjim 11:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, listed in the Best Drinking Games Book Ever, likely listed in the BarMeister's Big Book of Drinking Games, and with 250+ Amazon.com drinking game books listed... --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete because WP:NOT a collection of rules and instructions. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I presume that in referring to WP:NOT you are specifically talking about "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", point 8?  This says, I quote - Instruction manuals - while Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes.  An article on this drinking game has the obvious potential to contain a) history and evolution of the game, b) its cultural significance, c) appearances in books, on TV shows, in films etc, and thus is more than simply a collection of rules (it doesn't matter if these things are not there or haven't been completed: the fact is, they could be inserted).  However, the rules need to be included as otherwise it would be impossible to give a clear idea of the game - and I presume you are not arguing that the entries for Chess and Soccer should be deleted? Vizjim 11:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong delete. Did any of you knee-jerk keep voters read this?  It sounds like a hoax.  Brian G. Crawford 21:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you? It's most certainly not a hoax. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 00:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * comment Knee jerk?! er... What about assuming good faith? ;-) I can tell you this... The very first 'college party' that I attended back in the day featured this "drinking game." I never got it, don't pretend to understand it.  Saw it during 4 years of undergrad school, 2 years of grad school, two different schools, two different states, two different regions of the country.  Roodog2k 15:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable, no hoax. Having attended undergraduate and graduate school at two different universities in two different parts of the country, I just wish that this article explained more about HOW this became such a meme. Roodog2k 23:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep JeffBurdges 15:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * comment I see what Brian was saying... there was some vandalism on the page that needed to be removed. My bad for not noticing sooner.Roodog2k 16:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wondering when we'd get to this one. They play it in England too.  Once v. popular in St. John's College, Oxford bar.  What about the "must stand up" rule? -- GWO
 * weak delete Due to the point about this being an instruction manual. It seems to belong either in Wiktionary or perhaps as a two-sentence entry in "Drinking Games".Apollo 10:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.