Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy Ben Artzi


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The result was delete. Closing as delete for both this and the related discussion at Articles for deletion/Gigi Ben Artzi. The evidence presented in the two discussions indicates that they probably are not notable as a duo, and definitely are not yet notable individually. RL0919 (talk) 08:31, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Roy Ben Artzi

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Might be a case of WP:TOOSOON, but right now simply doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:FILMMAKER.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep A possible merge with his brother Gigi Ben Artzi is being discussed at Articles for deletion/Gigi Ben Artzi. --Omer Toledano (talk) 10:04, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, , I've also expanded it further and added additional references. This AfD request should be revoked. --Omer Toledano (talk) 16:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - all you've done is WP:CITEBOMB the article, haven't improved the claim to notability at all. The brothers are virtually identical in notability so combining them doesn't increase the notability, just shows that they both don't pass the notability criteria currently. Onel 5969  TT me 17:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep and rename Roy and Gigi Ben Artzi per WP:BASIC, based particularly on the Hebrew sources. I have stated that I believe that having two articles for the brothers is a bit over-the-top. Omert33 has created the article Tiger Love (musical group), a band the brothers were involved with and which has stronger sourcing than the brothers themselves. This arrangement might be a bit similar to Fernando and Nefty Sallaberry, who were founding members of a band called Menudo.StonyBrook (talk) 19:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Changed vote after closer inspection of the Hebrew sources, of which I could only find this one which only mentions this brother in passing, and that only in a caption. StonyBrook (talk) 21:10, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree. It has become clear to me that the two brothers operate as a duo, whether it's through photography, their band "Tiger Love" and their various directorial projects. If it would be more fitting to merge and rename these 2 articles to Roy and Gigi Ben Artzi then OK. --Omer Toledano (talk) 07:02, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Commment two non-notable things together don't add up to something notable just because they're always mentioned together in non-notable ways. I'm too tired to do a BEFORE right now but I would hope any closer would relist rather than closing this as no consensus (or worse keep) given the lack of evidence the two keep editors have put forward to justify notability. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:35, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 07:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I have now had a time to look at sources and I see no indication of notability for him individually or him with his brother. While I am not fluent in Hebrew I do feel competent enough to conduct a BEFORE in Hebrew and, absent explicit sources put forward by those arguing keep, feel that there is not sourcing to suggest notability per BASIC, GNG, or any other notability guideline (e.g. CREATIVE). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your vigilance, upon closer inspection of the sources I have changed my !vote. StonyBrook (talk) 21:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


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