Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy D. Buol


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The result was   keep. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 07:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Roy D. Buol

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Does not meet notability guidelines for biographies, specifically politicians. Minor local political figures, lacking significant coverage. RadioFan (talk) 03:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * delete Debuque, a city of barely more than 50,000 in a county with less than 100,000, is not the type of major metropolis that gives its mayor's notability. We lack the indepth, significant and many sources we would require to overcome that short-coming.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:N is a guideline to determine if an article should be standalone, not a deletion policy.  A mayor elected three times to Dubuque is obviously significant (wp:prominent), whether or not the topic is wp:notable.  Notability of this type is a decision to be made on the talk page.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:35, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:35, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Actually notability is determined by consensus here and reelection does not establish notability, significant coverage in 3rd party reliable sources does. It is going to be hard to establish notability for a politician where a google news search on both forms of his name (with and without the middle initial) brings up zero results.--RadioFan (talk) 11:40, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note that Google News only aggregates news hits from the past couple of weeks, and would fail to locate any coverage of him published before this month. It's a good tool for determining the accuracy of a fresh claim of notability (e.g. if he had just been elected mayor last night), but is not an infallible gauge of the notability of a politician who's held the same office since 2005. Bearcat (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * 50K is enough population-wise to potentially confer notability on a mayor — but population is not the only criterion we use. In fact, we have a couple of other rules for determining the notability or non-notability of mayors as well, both of which are actually more definitive than the population itself: one is that the article has to be more substantive than just "Roy Buol is the mayor of Dubuque, the end", and another is that the article has to actually cite reliable sources rather than primary ones. And this article, as written, fails both of those tests. No prejudice against recreation in the future if a good version, citing real sources, can be created — but this version is a delete. Keep due to sourcing and substance improvements; but note that it's the improvements, not an automatic entitlement for mayors, that sway this. Bearcat (talk) 19:14, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep There are reliable sources, outside of just Dubuque, that recognize Roy Buol as more than just a mayor of a city under 100,000. See the revised article. More could be done. --Bejnar (talk) 18:14, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:44, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - 10 years council member and 8 years major of a reasonable sized city. Enough reliable sources. -- Taketa (talk) 11:13, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Bejnar's work. Now it meets WP:BASIC.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 06:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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