Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog


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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 10:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog

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No reliable, independent sources showing any notability for this order. Fram (talk) 10:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ghana-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 10:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. None of the reliable sources cited mention this organisation (award? unclear), nor a Royal House of Sefwi Obeng-Mim, nor a Chief Oheneba Nana Kwame Obeng II. A search online (including GBooks) for all of the above turns up only blogs and primary sources. Captain Calm (talk) 10:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - I'd say this is a hoax of some sort. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as G3 Spiderone  12:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * oppose/keep
 * I object to this article being deleted. "Captain Calm" stated, “None of the reliable sources cited mention this organisation (award? unclear), nor a Royal House of Sefwi Obeng-Mim, nor a Chief Oheneba Nana Kwame Obeng II.”  This is nonfactual.  The cites, that I listed about the article, do in fact, mention both of those two topics.  In addition to these links, I also provided photos of the Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog’s regalia and medals, that I photographed myself in-person, and added on the page.
 * Let me be more specific:
 * In Cite #1: "Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog". Royal House Mim
 * -	It is the official Royal House’s Website – tells everything about the Royal House of Sefwi Obeng-Mim, how the house was established, royal warrants, location, farming communities, an individual menu tab that lists 2 different pages (1 about the Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog and 1 about the Royal Order of Obeng II), and more pertinent and in-depth information about the Royal House of Sefwi Obeng-Mim and Chief Oheneba Nana Kwame Obeng II.


 * -	Explicitly states “Chief Oheneba Nana Kwame Obeng II” and all the Chiefs, that came before him:
 * On the Website Home Menu, Under the “About” tab, if you hit the “History” tab, it sends you to this page: https://www.royalhousemim.org/about_history (on this page it lists everything)


 * In Cite #2&#3: "Asafo System in Historical Perspective". Cambridge.org. Cambridge.
 * 1.	^ "Asafo". vetter.sites.grinnell.edu. Grinnell College.
 * -	These Cite links are listed in reference to who the “Asafo” were in Ghana, as it explains Chief Oheneba Nana Kwame Obeng II’s reasoning for creating his royal order
 * In Cites #4&#5: "1935 Native Authorities Ghana". countrystudies.us. Country Studies.
 * 1.	^ "Colonial Era: British Rule of the Gold Coast". ghananation.com. Ghana Nation.
 * -	These cites are used to explain what the 1935 Native Authorities in Ghana were and further explain, how the formation of the Sub-Kingdom of Ghana, the Kingdom of Obeng Sefwi-Mim was able to be formed in 1935
 * In Cites #6,#7, #8: "Kingdom of Sefwi Obeng Mim". uchterhous.org. uchterhous.
 * 1.	^ "Cooperation between the Royal House Sefwi Obeng Mim of Ghana". Nazione Templare. Nazione Templare.
 * 2.	^ "Kingdom of Sefwi-Obeng Mim". grevindeafmarkland.info. GrevindeafMarkland.
 * -	They all specifically mention the Kingdom of Sefwi-Obeng Mim and Chief Oheneba Nana Kwame Obeng II


 * Also, in the Info Box of the Page I created, it lists a website link: https://royalhousemim.org/armsorders_goldenfiredog - This link takes you directly to the Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog


 * In addition, on the previously created Wikipedia Page, that was already established months before I created my page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders,_decorations,_and_medals_of_Ghana
 * -	There used to be a Heading called “Kingdom of Sefwi-Obeng Mim”, under the Heading “Other Orders”, which proves, that this sub-kingdom, was already previously established on Wikipedia. I was just creating a page for the Royal Orders that were already listed on Wikipedia.


 * -	Since my Page “The Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog” was incorrectly reported, this entry on the Orders, Decorations, and Medals of Ghana page has been subsequently removed. I am curious, as to why, the previously established evidence on Wikipedia, of this Sub-Kingdom of Ghana’s existence was removed?
 * Again, my citations are valid and correct, and do provide all the information, that “Captain Calm”, stated they did not. I provided verified news sources, a link to an article from Cambridge, an International Encyclopedia Listing website, a link to the official Royal House's Website, and even a photo of the actual Royal Regalia that I photographed myself in-person.  The heraldic artist for the Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog and the Royal Order of Obeng II, is Dr. Antonio Salmeron y Cabanas, certified herald, in Madrid Spain.  He has a website called http://www.blason.es.  The same herald also made heraldic designs for the other sub-kingdom of Ghana, the Kingdom of Gondenu.


 * If it is just a reason, of how I cited the sources in the biography section, then please tell me how to adjust and correct the reference cites, as I am new to Wikipedia. Thank you for your time and I am open to discussion, on how I may improve the article, if needed.  However, please do not delete my valid article.


 * AmyMHollywoodNow (talk) 12:53, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * AmyMHollywoodNow, these are not acceptable sources; it's as simple as that. Even if a page like https://royalhousemim.org/armsorders_goldenfiredog was accepted as reliably reporting facts, it would be a primary, not a secondary source, and as such can add nothing to notability. Same with the photo: we cannot accept that kind of material, and again it is primary evidence at best. I don't know what you want the "The Asafo System in Historical Perspective" article to do for you: I looked it up in JSTOR and it simply does not mention this order. Who the Asafo are or were is of no importance to this article. There is nothing from Grinell college, and even if there were it might just be a student page, and is certainly not a peer-reviewed academic publication. I could go on, but all this is so poorly organized that I feel I'm wasting my time. Drmies (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. The sourcing is not there. Drmies (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * oppose/keep I object to this article being deleted. I have updated source links and updated the page. Also, another contributor has added to the page as well and added another Wikipedia page reference, that also lists The Royal Order of the Golden Fire Dog and Chief Oheneba Nana Kwame Obeng II, further validating my page. AmyMHollywoodNow (talk) 17:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You should strike out your other vote. As you can't vote twice and it will screw up the bot if you do. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete subject lacks the necessary sourcing quality wise to be notable. Due to being trivial coverage and having other problems that I do not feel the need to go into obtuse detail about. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:RS is required to pass WP:V. Wikipedia has never published original research like this, and in 2020, everybody knpws that. Bearian (talk) 20:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Virtually nothing in terms of reliable sourcing. Best, GPL93 (talk) 22:12, 12 November 2020 (UTC)


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