Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rucka Rucka Ali


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The result was   keep. JohnCD (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Rucka Rucka Ali

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No evidence of notability. Sole citation asserting notability, from Current TV website, appears to be user-submitted content, and is marked as being sourced from subject's own YouTube channel. Note also the name of the Current TV user that submitted the Current TV article. -- The Anome (talk) 10:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * (Also, this article is linked from quite a few others with out any supporting citation. If this article goes, so should all the unreferenced mentions to it in other articles.) -- The Anome (talk) 12:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Similarly the redirects at DJ Not Nice, Justin's Beaver and Toby Queef. -- The Anome (talk) 17:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * See also Articles for deletion/I'm Black, You're White & These Are Clearly Parodies -- The Anome (talk) 17:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 *  Delete . I found nothing to suggest that the subjects meets any of our inclusion criteria.--Michig (talk) 12:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC) Actually I just found this, which kind of makes him notable, so I'm now inclined to keep.--Michig (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 *  Delete Weak Keep. Fails to meet our N guidelines .  Per charting.  One need not meet GNG, if they meet our music notability guideline.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep as Michig points out, his albums charted, making him notable. --Muhandes (talk) 13:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And although allmusic is usually reliable, here is billboard itself showing an album charting at 8 (peak at 6). --Muhandes (talk) 18:05, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:MUSICBIO indicates where a subject may be notable if they have been in the chart, however, I am not seeing how this subject meets WP:GNG as he lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Mt  king  (edits)  23:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Frankly, I didn't know why we even had an article on an internet pseudonym in the first place.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:MUSICBIO#2. - Cavarrone (talk) 08:40, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That only indicates that the subject may meet WP:GNG, however there is no indication that the subject of this article actually does have any significant coverage in which case it fails WP:GNG and just saying passes WP:MUSICBIO#2 does not actually help the discussion, see WP:JUSTAPOLICY. Mt  king  (edits)  09:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Never said that charting (and having verifiable evidence of this) is a "proof" of notability, but it is an adequate sign to "presume" notability. If you want deprecate MUSICBIO, or at least remove criterium#2 from it, you're free to propose it, but this is not the proper place to restart the eternal dispute GNG Vs. SNGs. I just note that the last attempt to watering down SnGs related to people was rejected by community (here the discussion). Cavarrone (talk) 11:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I added to the article a source with a short biography from Rhapsody, which seems independent and reliable. I also added a BBC News online article about a minor controversy regarding his work, again, very clearly independent and reliable. I'm not claiming these on their own amount to WP:GNG, but they are just two mentions I found in the first two pages of the Google search, and I'm pretty convinced a thorough search will find more. I tend to treat WP:MUSICBIO #2 as supporting evidence in case of multiple chartings, when WP:GNG cannot be directly shown, on the assumption that when an artist is charting multiple times they are bound to be covered, even if I cannot personally find it. Of course, everyone can evaluate for themselves. --Muhandes (talk) 11:11, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Has charted with his albums. WP:MUSICBIO is meant to show notability in cases where WP:GNG is disputed. If an artist must meet both, there is no point in any other notability guidelines. A412  (Talk * C) 02:11, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. is an established artist and internet personality. Ice Hockey  Hero  18:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:BAND Criteria states "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." Reaching single digit rank of the Billboard charts definitely makes one notable. In addition, his songs are known to pop up on Pandora radio from time to time. Jerwong (talk) 03:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
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