Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rudolf Hellmann


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The result was keep. ✗ plicit  01:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Rudolf Hellmann

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This article was draftified; it seems marginal enough that I figured it was better to send it here. A search shows very few sources related to the subject himself, and nothing that seems to give WP:SIGCOV other a general biographical entry. Corresponding article in German doesn't have much more meat. However, I'm unsure if I'm missing his notability because of the language barrier, so I figured it would be better to toss it to the community. Curbon7 (talk) 01:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 01:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 01:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 01:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: He was awarded the Order of Karl Marx, the top civilian honour in the DDR. He also has a national encyclopedia entry linked in the article, though as this isn't "the" national encyclopedia of Germany so I'm not entirely sure if that counts for notability. So that's WP:ANYBIO #1, and maybe #3. He'll come up as at least a passing mention on most long-form writing on sport in the DDR and especially anything mentioning the doping scandals (an English-language example here, just a brief AP bulletin ). -- asilvering (talk) 02:02, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep definitely passes WP:NPOL as well as WP:GNG. Quite a few books discuss him and there are news articles. The nominator is probably correct that there would be more sources in German. Vladimir.copic (talk) 05:03, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the article should be kept. I created the article and I intend to work on improvements in the next weeks. However, I am not able to do so the moment, as I am on vacation. Let me give you a short background to the article: The article was basically translated from German Wikipedia, with minor changes. That is not the best way to write an article. But I chose the easy way in this case because I think it was a shortcoming that Wikipedia did not have an article about such an important politician in East Germany (he was the head of a department of the Central Committee and one of the three most important politicians in East German sports. ) Most (almost all) of the facts presented in the in the article can be found in the first article under "Further reading" ("Biography of Rudolf Hellmann, Federal Foundation for the Reappraisal of the SED Dictatorship"). I feel confident that I can find sources for the rest, and I intend to do so. I would also like to add that the Federal Foundation for the Reappraisal of the SED Dictatorship is a German public foundation founded by the German parliament. A presentation of the foundation can be found here: . Kindest regards./EriFr (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I see that a lot of improvements have been made to the article. Great job! /EriFr (talk) 09:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


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