Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rudolf Kallaste


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The result was speedy Delete per admin Bbb23. (Page created by a Sock G5) (non-admin closure) Quek157 (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Rudolf Kallaste

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no sense of gng met. yes played in national team but nfooty does not exclude gng. Quek157 (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * He passes NFOOTY so? --IAWI (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC) Disclaimer: I am the author of the subjects article. --IAWI (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. IAWI (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. IAWI (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions. IAWI (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Generally, when articles passes WP:NFOOTY, we can think that it passes WP:GNG. Hhkohh (talk) 14:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Although there is one citation on the page, it clearly shows the player played for the national team which qualifies WP:NFOOTBALL criteria. Govvy (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:FOOTY as per This and there is a article in German Wiki here which is better and this article can be expanded.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep He is listed in a number of websites on football as having played for the national side in international matches,, and per WP:NFOOTY, the notability of those who have played for a national team (therefore yes, it is assumed that he would satisfy GNG). If it is difficult to find online sources, it would be due more to the time he played in (1920s), and the language (Estonian) rather than an actual absence of sources. Hzh (talk) 14:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * can we have some sort of sources that are not stated, some coverage. perm stub may be . Quek157 (talk) 15:11, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Estonian sports biography - . Hzh (talk) 15:31, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see the Rudolf Kallaste in German Wiki.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: Based on my understanding, FOOTY is the only subject based notablity guideline that need to meet GNG also. Wikipedia is never a R/S. The others are just saying that it might have significant coverage based on national team, that's a hypothesis. Anyway, his caps are way too low and goals are also, hence, I don't think there is any coverage. Hey, you don't cover one low cap player unnecessary and we have much more qualified players who got rejected previously at AFC. In addition, I know that there is a German Wikipedia source, but there are only external links back to what is being presented, which are mere X played in national team games. And are those games "A" international by defition, they may be "B" internationals or whatsoever, the pages you all cited still doesn't meet the mark. That German wiki page is much more complete, with Bio and anything, why not just keep to it than a permanent stub here? In addition, to address the issue of date of sources, I know many sources are not online, but shall we INDISCRIMATELY put up articles based on a "possible" source out there, than many BLP will be written from decades ago using such sources. That's my worry if a dangerous preceedence is set here. If there are at least some sources we can then use ANYBIO, but this does not even cut it. Do note that the creator of the article has many articles now under PROD. Just mine is challenged so it is now here. I also think so "Generally, when articles passes WP:NFOOTY, we can think that it passes WP:GNG" but if that is, we will need to accept all those articles we rejected by Das osmnezz which will be the implications of this AFD as many rejects are based on it doesn't met. I just want to make this clear. 10 (0) A 10 capped player (outfield) without any goals isn't gonna get much coverage, rather, negative coverage is likely and the stint is short (3 years). The player just played in 4 games as Baltic Cup, rest are friendlies, which means at most 4 "A" matches, and only 2 are wins, will a non scoring player in a losing team get coverage? No assists either. Guys, this cannot make it into GNG. The online sources presented above all repeat the same stastics (not coverage) but should there be any sources in newspaper, it will be "XXX fails to score", "XXX removed from roster", shall we turn this into attack page? or a total negative POV fork page? And yes, the German wiki is totally uncited and unsourced, translation will not do any good, the sources are the same we have now --Quek157 (talk) 15:35, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment May I SNOW close this AfD, it is wasting time. He passes NFOOTY so no point in having this discussion. --IAWI (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2018 (UTC)


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