Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rudy Bundini


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The result was delete. Note that has been blocked as a spam-only account.  Sandstein  08:31, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Rudy Bundini

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Non-notable person, doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Scads of photo spreads can be found but they have led to no coverage in reliable sources of the subject of those photo spreads. Largoplazo (talk) 11:45, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Addendum: Regarding the two major claims made for him in the lead,
 * 1) I find no evidence that "Best Photo Model of the World" is a title conferred by anyone, this article being Google's only hit in a verbatim search for that phrase, . If it exists, it isn't noteworthy.
 * 2) The International Modeling and Talent Association (IMTA) does present a "Male Commercial Model of the Year" award, but that phrase gets under 50 Google hits, so the award itself isn't particularly noteworthy. In addition, per this and this, neither of the 2014 recipients of the respective LA and NY presentations of that award was Rudy Bundini. Largoplazo (talk) 13:52, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Thanks,L3X1  ◊distænt write◊  13:21, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Nonnotable, I cannot find references for it, except fro Gay Times. This is the article] before i TNT'd it and then after. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  13:32, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Dear Largoplazo, Rudy was using his birth name when he won the award. He changed his name when he finally reside in the US for personal purpose, I believe for some serious reasons. It could be life threatening situation. However, he wants to be recognized as Rudy Bundini now. I hope Wikipedia community can respect this that he will use Rudy Bundini name. Example, like The singer Pink, she might not use her real name for her stage name.


 * Could you please explain to me? Why is it winning the title best photo model of the world is not worthy? While people flew from all over the world to attend and compete. This is the the link, you can use the face recognition to see the title for the best photo model. I am creating this wikipedia page, it's not Rudy himself. I can put this on the references. However, someone removed my references that I have provided but I didn't have the chance to look at it yet. But I will create the references again. Here is the link when he won the title best photo model of the world and you can see Rudy was standing in the middle with the red title. http://www.bestmodeloftheworld.com/english/2013winners --Rbworld528 (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2018 (UTC)RBworld528


 * IMTA is prestigious competition. Many big celebrities were winning from IMTA. You can read from the following big names who won from IMTA. https://www.prweb.com/releases/imtamodelstalent/2014/prweb12061165.htm


 * IMTA is known in the industry for debuting the best new-to-market Talent and Models including Katie Holmes (IMTA 1993 & 1995), Ashton Kutcher (IMTA 1997), Eva Longoria (IMTA 1998), Ashley Greene (IMTA 2004), Aaron Paul (IMTA 1997), Elijah Wood (IMTA 1989), Riley Smith (IMTA 1997), Jessica Biel (IMTA 1994), Josh Duhamel (IMTA 1997), Rachel Boston (IMTA 1994), Cameron Ocasio (IMTA 2008), Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue Model Jessica White (IMTA 1999), Vogue TV's Madeline Kragh (IMTA 2007), The Janice Dickinson Modeling Agency's Brian Kehoe (IMTA 2001) and Elite's Heather Isaacson (IMTA 2008). For more IMTA Alumni, please see IMTA.com.


 * "Rudy Bundini was using his birth name when he won as a Male Commercial Model of the Year - IMD International, Medford, OR" https://www.pinterest.dk/pin/64246732159524385/
 * IMTA has an Instagram and it was giving the congratulation to Rudy. https://www.instagram.com/p/rIXfnrMGh2/?hl=en


 * I hope this explain your doubt about the titles that he won the competitions and he has large followers and big influences for many. So he deserves to have this wikipedia page for him --Rbworld528 (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2018 (UTC)rbworld


 * I don't know why you went through so much effort to demonstrate that IMTA is noteworthy. I didn't say it wasn't. I said I found no evidence that he'd won such an award from them, and I found evidence that he didn't.


 * Thousands of organizations host awards ceremonies that people attend and that give out awards with names like "Best X of the Year". Some of these ceremonies are nothing but vanity events that people pay to "compete" in and receive awards from. Others are genuine competitions but not well known. Just because I give an award called "Best Photo Model of the Year" doesn't mean that anyone has heard of this award or that it confers notability on every person I choose to give it to.


 * If Rudy Bundini changed his name because of a life-threatening situation, why are you outing him here? Are you trying to endanger him?
 * Anyway, I find no sources to cite stating that Misagh Daraei (the person identified in the Instagram pic) and Rudy Bundini are the same person. Without that, we can't say in the article that they're the same person, and we can't treat them as though they're the same person. If such a source can be provided, then the article would have to state explicitly that he was born Misagh Daraei and worked previously under that name. Largoplazo (talk) 15:38, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Dear Largoplazo, I wanted to make the point that you said IMTA is noteworthy,but otherwise many big celebrities were came from IMTA competition. I created this page because of doing a lot of research too. For someone who won international model competition who might be for regular people who don't pay attention in Fashion Industry is nothing but for someone in Fashion Industry, this is a great achievement. Not many top male models to be recognized in this world, but they are exists. Many people saw their faces but don't know their name. Many people mostly know female top models but not top male models. They need to be recognized as well. I found it that you are so hard on Rudy. I don't only follow Rudy's career but also other top male models and also top female models. I don't understand either why you keep removing Rudy's profile on references, that's to show people that he is legit and exists. You can check wikipedia profile of another Top Male Models such as David Gandy, Fabio Mancini, Sean O'Pry and some others, They put their profile on their references and many other links as well. Why did you cherry pick Rudy? I hope you don't hate him personally and bias. Most of those top male models have similar page as Rudy. --Rbworld528 (talk) 18:26, 18 September 2018 (UTC)RBWorld528


 * May I please ask you question? Are you in the fashion Industry? For people in the fashion industry might know which one is worthy and which one is not. People in fashion industry might not recognize the competition for sciences or vice versa... can we judge each of competition?
 * What I know, Rudy had to travel the world for the competition, required a special visa and it's international competition and not local competition.--Rbworld528 (talk) 18:26, 18 September 2018 (UTC)RBworld528


 * Dear Largoplazo, You didn't give me a choice right, to show you the same face pictures that Rudy and the person who won is the same. You put his page to proposed for deletion. What choice do I have? I didn't mention name, you did. Sorry, I had to remove the name. I provided what he has done, his profiles on the model agencies, magazines etc but you keep removing them. What prove do you want? If you give me your personal information, I will try to connect you to Rudy. If other top male models can have their wikipedia page, why not Rudy? I made the list of his achievements and provide the links but you keep removing them. I hope you can give him a fair judgment and let's support top male models, which are not many in this world. --Rbworld528 (talk) 18:26, 18 September 2018 (UTC) RBworld528


 * I know some top male models as well, not just Rudy, I connect to them as well. I follow Fashion Industry. I created this page because of fairness and I believe top male models need to be recognized more and we need to support their existent. In the fashion industry or entertainment industry, many people/celebrities don't use their real name. I hope people in Wikipedia will understand this more. --Rbworld528 (talk) 18:26, 18 September 2018 (UTC)Rbworld528


 * Determination of what topics may be included in Wikipedia is determined not by the fashion industry but by Wikipedia's notability guidelines, the ones I reference in my deletion nomination. People aren't deemed notable because they've had to travel and obtain a visa. International doesn't automatically mean notable per Wikipedia's terminology.


 * The photo spreads prove that he has had work as a photography model. They are his work as a model. What WP:N requires is evidence that reliable sources that are independent of him (in other words, not the people who are paying him) have, possibly because of his work, found him worth commenting on in depth. Heidi Klum isn't judged notable just because lots of people have included her in photo spreads but because people have taken note of her, and her work, and have devoted vast coverage to her. I have a job, and I could show you everything I've created during my job for people who've paid me to do it, but I wouldn't warrant an article in Wikipedia unless people independent of me had seen my work, found it noteworthy, and given it, and me, substantial coverage.


 * I already explained everything that has to be said about his name. It isn't about whether it's his real name, it's about whether there is a shred of evidence that the person with the other name is the same person. We have plenty of evidence that Dwayne Johnson and The Rock are the same person, so the article on him reflects his experience under both names. Here we have two names and no evidence that they're the same people. If he's the person that received that one IMTA award, then maybe those who voice an opinion here will judge that to be sufficient evidence of notability. But we don't even have evidence of that right now, just your assertion that it's the same person.


 * I didn't do any cherry-picking. I came across the article while patrolling new articles and I saw that it looked like it didn't comply with the inclusion guidelines. I especially noticed it because of the user name you chose, which certainly made it look like you were associated with him, as though you could be part of his publicity organization. As for articles about other models, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Often when someone points out articles they think are comparable, either they aren't (because, for example, they actually have lots of independent reliable sources to back them up), or they are and the other articles are also subject to deletion for the same reason.


 * Wikipedia is neutral, and it is not a soapbox for achieving goals like getting more recognition for male models or anybody else. It isn't a vehicle for gaining attention, but for documenting that which has already received attentionthat's what the notability guidelines are all about. Largoplazo (talk) 19:14, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


 * delete does not meet inclusion criteria.-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 23:17, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Completely unsourced, and could have been hit as Template:Prod blp had it not been for article creator's habit of removing maintenance templates.
 * I can find no evidence to support the assertion that he was an Olympic swimmer. In fact, I could find no WP:RS coverage at all. The Gay Times article is purely promotional.
 * Comment: I note that article creator has been WP:INDEFfed. Narky Blert (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.