Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rufus Griscom


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus is that this is a valid stub where the subject is sufficient notable.-- Kubigula (talk) 19:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Rufus Griscom

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For starters, I think this could go under CSD. I have a website, but not a Wikipedia article. StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk 15:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) It is very short
 * 2) It is not notable (no secondary sources etc.)

*Speedy Delete although being short isn't a reason for deletion the does not really assert notability or provide reliable 3rd party references for verifiability. Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Tag as unreferenced and stub, but I think the subject is clearly notable. Media Life Magazine. Random House (where it states, "Rufus Griscom left his job as an editor and director of new media in book publishing to cofound Nerve.com. His writing has appeared in Publishers Weekly, the Wall Street Journal, the Baltimore Sun, and other publications.") New York magazine. Wired. The New York Times. Tan   |   39  15:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Is being the founder and CEO of a company automatic assertion of notability? If so than it doesn't meet the speedy criteria so I'm crossing my Speedy Delete out. Not sure enough about the criteria for author notability and such so abstaining until further discussion by others that know better than I. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, WP:BIO and WP:N are the applicable policies here, and should probably be understood by anyone participating in this AfD. As this isn't a candidate for speedy deletion, I'm not sure how to interpret your responses. Per WP:BIO, "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." I personally think that being covered in the New York Times, among the other lesser sources I quoted above, is definitely an indication of notability. Perhaps I am misinterpreting your comments, and if so, I apologize for trying to "educate" you :-) Tan   |   39  16:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment When I "voted" speedy delete the article met the criteria (from what I saw). I asked "Is being the founder and CEO of a company automatic assertion of notability" in order to clarify whether my initial reaction was incorrect. Obviously the article has undergone changes and therfore I removed my initial "vote". Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment What sort of stub is this? Basically, why is he notable?  Is it because he is now a CEO or because of his past work?  The lead should clearly state what he is known for, but it wasn't clear to me if he should be sorted as a dotcom startup ceo (honestly, who isn't?) or as a publisher or something else. JackSchmidt (talk) 19:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - no assertion of notability; could have been speedied. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite 23:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to Nerve (website), which he apparently co-founded and his claim to dubious WP:BIO notability. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 15:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep If nerve.com is notable, and based on the WP article it is, then the ceo is notable also. The article however needs some expansion--from what's said here, there seems to be some material available.DGG (talk) 21:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources found by Tan which show he has received significant coverage in reliable sources thus meeting the main notability criteria. Davewild (talk) 10:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.