Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rufus Griscom (3rd nomination)


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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 05:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Rufus Griscom
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Fails GNG as a subject not covered substantially in multiple, independently published sources of presumed reliability. Claim that "Nerve" magazine was one of the first online magazines is a self-made claim, not bolstered by independent coverage. Article subject has been previously deleted at AfD. Carrite (talk) 04:55, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete same as in 2010; not a resume hosting service. Salt too, to avoid recreation this being the third AfD . K.e.coffman (talk) 07:10, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 07:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting one more time to allow for judgement of the sources posted today. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 21:26, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The subject has a chapter devoted in the book by Wharton professor Adam Grant called Originals, a chapter which has been covered by Forbes, Huffington Post, Guardian (Chapter 3 to be precise). The subject's life has been covered by CNN Money, Harvard Business Review et al. I'd like to hear the comments of delete !voters or the nominator on these sources. Thanks. Lourdes  18:12, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment -- I've stricken my "salt" vote but the article is still promotional and notability is questionable, even after reviewing the book results where the subject is mentioned, but rather superficially. The three articles listed are about the book. The book looks notable, but not every person in it may be notable. Perhaps WP:TOOSOON still. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * hi. The subject here is a journalist. He has created at least two notable works/online magazines: Nerve.com & Babble.com. As per WP:JOURNALIST: A subject may be notable if "the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work [...] In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book [...]) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." In my opinion, this subject qualifies very easily per this. The Wharton professor's book dedicates a full chapter to him and to his creations. Multiple periodicals and journals, like CNN Money, Harvard Business Review have reviewed the subject and his work too. Why would you disregard coverage like these? What would be your viewpoint about WP:JOURNALIST? And another query: Which lines are promotional in the article, as per you? We can delete those lines quite easily, as I would say the article in its current state does not look overly promotional except for maybe two lines. Waiting for your response. Thanks. Lourdes  03:39, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I've not looked at the subject under WP:JOURNALIST but as a businessman instead (that's how he's being covered in the book). The reason I'd be hesitant to go with a keep is that I'm not sure that the two web sites are notable themselves. I removed a bunch of 'cruft from one of them: diff. So it looks more like a promotional cluster, rather than notable subjects in their own right. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:57, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks . WP:JOURNALIST does not require the work created to be notable but only well-known, a much lower qualification than notable. What matters to WP:JOURNALIST is whether the work has been the primary subject of even a single book (or of other sources). In this case, the work created by the subject is well known (whether or not notable) and has been covered by a book – this is almost a copybook example of WP:JOURNALIST's application. What might be your views on this? Thanks once more. Lourdes  07:39, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
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