Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rui José Lopes (footballer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. All votes lead to a "Keep" Consensus. The discussion participants have established the articles notability. (non-admin closure) AmericanAir88(talk) 20:39, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Rui José Lopes (footballer)

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There are insufficient reliable sources to verify the content (WP:V). It may also fail WP:NFOOTBALL as the person has not played in a fully professional league, as defined by the football WikiProject. There is also a lack of significant coverage, failing WP:GNG. The editor  whose username is Z0 07:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 09:03, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL (per this) as he has played in the Primeira Liga. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 09:08, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 09:09, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I doubt the website's reliability as they allow users to submit changes and it appears to be run by a group of Portuguese football fans, according to the About page. There is no actual evidence of this person playing for a fully professional league. There may be some unreliable sources but they cannot be used to verify this information. The editor  whose username is Z0  11:19, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep I accepted this from draftspace per WP:NFOOTY as he played in the top Portuguese division. Also known as "Rui Lopes" in web searches. SportingFlyer  talk  09:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If it fails WP:V, it fails WP:NFOOTY, which states "All information included in Wikipedia, including articles about sports, must be verifiable." What evidence is there to prove this person has played in the top division of Portuguese football? <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">The editor <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> whose username is <u style="color:#7f2ed1">Z0 11:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep passes WP:FOOTY.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:57, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


 * As some funny trivia: the player shows two birth-dates because he came from Guiné to Portugal. At the time it was common for African football players (and not only African football players, Africans in general) to register in Portugal as 1/2/3 years younger than they actually were, so that they seemed younger (i.e., clubs would think they could have a more prolonged career).
 * Comment - many years ago, editors at WP:FOOTY researched whether Foradejogo.net could be considered a WP:RS and concluded it could. I cannot locate the discussion, but it You can read a bit of the discussion at the Talk page linked below, and it involved a GA review of an article which used the source (Talk:Nuno_Mendes_(footballer)), and I think the reason it satisfied the RS standard is because another reliable Portuguese newspaper (Região Sul) had cited the website and considered its editorial/publishing standards for Portuguese football to be satisfactory. That said, I know there is significant concern about using Foredejogo.net as a source for information about non-Portuguese football. I did a few searches but couldn't turn up the original discussion. Jogurney (talk) 14:46, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Here is a low-resolution picture of A Bola's 1988-89 season preview of Fafe, which identifies Rui José Lopes as a squad member (see the last entry under "Avançados"). A Bola prints similar previews every season, and I'm sure someone with access could find similar reports on this player in each of his Portuguese top-flight seasons. It's difficult to demonstrate GNG-compliance for this article given how little is actually online, but the amount of printed coverage of Portuguese top-flight players in the 1980s would almost certainly be sufficient. Jogurney (talk) 17:10, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep As per above, consensus is that Foradejogo is a reliable source for Portuguese soccer and as such can satisfy WP:V. Given that it also shows the subject satisfies WP:NFOOTY, the article should be kept. If editors feel sources previously deemed reliable by consensus are, in fact, not reliable, an AfD is not the appropriate place to be having that discussion. Smartyllama (talk) 16:05, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. This newspaper archive image from the 18 Feb 1985 edition of the Diario de Lisboa names Rui Lopes as the scorer of Rio Ave's second goal against Benfica in the match played two days prior; the other scorers correspond with those given by Foradejogo. This image of the same newspaper dated 31 Dec 1984 mentions him scoring three goals at home to Braga two days earlier. I don't intend to go through the whole season, but those pages certainly prove that someone of that name played and scored for Rio Ave in the Primeira Divisao when FdJ says he did. As to questioning the reliability of FdJ because "users can submit changes": I can't see where it suggests that users can submit and publish changes, which is a very different thing from submitting changes with supporting evidence and the website assessing the evidence and accepting the change, or not, depending on their editorial judgment. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:48, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - article about professional footballer who played in the fuly-pro Portuguese top flight and accordingly satisfies WP:NFOOTY. Jogurney (talk) 15:13, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - as per above !votes explain, subject passes WP:NFOOTY. While article is pretty poor quality at the moment, there is some potential for expansion. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 02:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


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