Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rum Swizzle


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speeedy Keep per WP:SNOW, the other issues brought up here can be discussed at the article's talk page. Beeblbrox (talk) 15:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC) (non-admin closure)'''

Rum Swizzle


Contested PROD to allow editors to discuss whether or not to keep this page since it was submitted by a new editor. –BuickCenturyDriver 16:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article is notable in Bermuda and in the tourism market.  A google search comes up with lots of hits and slight differences in the recipe.  I think I'm going to make one of these tonight to try it out.  --Pmedema (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Probably notable but the article's references don't establish that. What you should try to find are references in newspapers, magazines, etc. that refer to it as "the de facto national drink" or "an ubiquitous feature of tourist spots" or whatever.  Remember the onus of establishing notability falls upon the creator of articles as well as anyone who volunteers to champion them. - House of Scandal (talk) 18:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. After posting the comment above, I easily found four references to it being the national drink.  All but one, the inn where the drink was originally created, are neutral sources. I will, however, add that Livitu's AfD prompt was appropriate and I would have done the same thing. - House of Scandal (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, although it may be questionable that the drink was invented in Bermuda in 1932. I found this reference to rum swizzles in a book published in 1930. Pburka (talk) 19:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. While undermining the Swizzle Inn's claim of having invented it, that mention in Hergesheimer book does advance the arguement for Wiki-worthy notability.  - House of Scandal (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per all the recent improvements, nice work. Beeblbrox (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Local news paper as source Look I live in Bermuda I know what our national drink is! (The internet is not a good source for anything) the web is inaccurate. Want proof go www.bermudayp.com pick a number any number and ask someone! This article was written by a Bermudian about Bermudian culture. Is that not what Wikipedia is about? Sharing knowable only people there can give you! Some of you are fixing it and then some of you are butchering our culture! Like you or the internet would know! When this gets included which it will be. I am changing it back to being accurate because it is not anymore! I do understand you are just trying to prove it I just don't think it should be on the front page! I am just trying to make sure the article is accurate to our culture! —Preceding ( Braslinut (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC) ) comment added by Braslinut (talk • contribs) 20:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please refer to No original research. - House of Scandal (talk) 21:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You could benefit from a review of Civility as well. - House of Scandal (talk) 21:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This is driving me to drink, where's that recipe again...Beeblbrox (talk) 22:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no kidding! I have about a half-cup of cachaça sitting at the bottom of a bottle atop my 'fridge.  I bet it would work just fine. - House of Scandal (talk) 22:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Me too Beeblbrox ;) read my main page ;) And I've got a hurricane coming at me. I have now added notable local news paper source http://www.bermudasun.bm/main.asp?SectionID=40&TM=45432.66 proving it is the official drink. Look this is obviously my first article I know where to look of stuff (Sources) It just seems to be getting out of hand a little bear in mind that this page is about our culture and will show up as the first search result for it. Because I started it I know fell responsible for it accuracy and Bermudians would be very upset if it were wrong!!!!! Maybe the US is going to invade us and tell us what our culture is. We don’t have any oil I swear! Just say’in. Braslinut (talk) 23:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But you do have coconuts, and that is where coconut oil comes from... --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 23:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Braslinut, welcome to Wikipedia! The discussion taking place here is very ordinary, so don't be frazzled by it.  So far, the opinion to "keep" is unanimous -- that's nothing to complain about.  With the improvements we've made to the article, I am confident not only will this article not get deleted, it may be featured on the "Did you know...?" section of the front page about 5 days from how as I have nominated it.  That's pretty cool for a first article.  If you need any help adjusting to the culture here or interpreting the policies, don't hesitate to contact me or any other experienced editor who isn't a total douchebag. - House of Scandal (talk) 23:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Minor but still important point: "National drink of Bermuda" is verifiable, "official national drink of Bermuda" is, to my knowledge, not verifiable. - House of Scandal (talk) 23:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

       Or just do this --Braslinut (talk) 00:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - with the recent cleanup, it easily meets the four standards of note. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 23:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sources Bermuda's National drink:
 * What's your issue? Everything is going your way and everyone here has been delightful to you.  Are you trying to prove it's the official drink?  If so, please show that the government has approved it as so. - House of Scandal.  Do this: and you get zero hits. - House of Scandal (talk) 00:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)2008 (UTC)

Ok http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3A*&q=%22official+national+drink%22+and+%22caipirinha%22. What only two links from a country of 186,757,608 for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caipirinha. Thats an invalid arguement! Also no govermnet page and that is a pretty big article!!!!

http://www.google.com/search?q=rum+swizzle&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1 now tell me how far you can get with out Bermuda being in the story.

You don't need a web source to know the sky is blue just go outside and look up! Braslinut (talk) 01:46, 13 July 2008 (UTC) 01:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what point Braslinut is trying to make. Apparently there's no pleasing some people. - House of Scandal (talk) 01:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Advise Braslinut to back away from the dead horse. Beeblbrox (talk) 02:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep with the exception of the Recipe section, which is wholly inappropriate as per WP:NOTGUIDE . Jim Miller (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I dissagree... As far as I can see the drinks here on Wikipedia are acompanied with their Recipe... maybe not in a section... Maybe in the cleanup of the article it can be modifed to conform with the usual format of other drinks using the box to have the recipe in.--Pmedema (talk) 03:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, there's even an infobox to include the recipe. An example can be found accompanying the Lime Rickey article. - House of Scandal (talk) 03:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So there is! I took a look at the WikiProject, and moved the recipe to the infobox according to their standards for reliable sources. Live and learn! Jim Miller (talk) 03:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Live and learn!" is the most useful comment I have heard from anyone all day! Wise words.  - House of Scandal (talk) 05:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep And what is the reason to delete? -- Meldshal42  (talk to me)  12:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep—Yup, it's a good article on a subject now shown to be noteworthy. Meldsha, go back in the history and you'll see that when the page was created it was not encyclopedic.  Now it is, so good job editors.  I think this could probably be SNOWed.  Livitup (talk) 13:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.