Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Runet (terminology)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Some people have mentioned merging, which may be a viable solution, but there is not really any consensus to do any particular thing here. I suggest further discussion on the talk page to either identify a merge target everyone is happy with, or come up with improvements to the article. Lankiveil (speak to me) 07:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Runet (terminology)
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Move to Wiktionary, expand, or delete. It cites only Russian sources, includes several dubious sentences, and isn’t much more than a definition. Frungi (talk) 21:03, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Search for Runet + Russia + Internet see -- yields literally thousands of secondary sources in the English language. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:37, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:38, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:38, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. The term is notable and deserves its own article. I think it can't be explained in Wiktionary cause it's not just a simple word. And it's not really a dictionary word, it's more like a proper name. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:47, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. It has not been shown that the term is widely used outside the Russophone sphere. For all practical purposes, it is the same as Internet in Russian. That article will suffice to cover the subject. --Ghirla-трёп- 08:59, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. It is more than Wiktionary definition. See various sources in Russian page. --TarzanASG (talk) 12:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete it's just a DICDEF, it simply lists several ways that the term is used and points off to other articles. In order to justify an article, it would have to go beyond doing that. But there doesn't seem to be any scope for expansion as it massively overlaps with internet in Russia (which explicitly says it covers this). Although you could merge it into that, in reality internet in Russia already covers this material, so: delete.GliderMaven (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete the article duplicates Internet in Russia in scope. The term itself is a WP:Neologism (it isn't in the OED). The article title is a give-away. All sources and external links are in Russian, and Russian-language sources cannot attest the existence of English terminology. --Stfg (talk) 09:50, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, essentially a fork of Internet in Russian--Ymblanter (talk) 08:04, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * То, что в этом обсуждении не понятно что же именно дублирует статья о термине Рунет, показывает что слово живёт отдельной жизнью, поэтому удалять категорически нельзя. Иначе снова начнётся путаница, с которой я пытаюсь бороться. Нельзя путать русскоязычный Интернет и Интернет в России, у них совершенно разные и численные, и географические, и юридические показатели. Кроме того, посмотрите интервики к этой статье, там было намешано всё в кучу - и русский Интернет, и российский, поэтому я перенёс такие интервики именно сюда в эту общую статью. Я давно считаю, что статьи должны называться стандартизировано, а не "Рунет". Однако, под Рунетом чаще всего понимают вовсе не русский или российский Интернет, а их объединение. Поэтому я ещё раз за то, чтобы оставить статью об этом слове, так как оно чрезывайно популярно и имеет самостоятельную значимость. --TarzanASG (talk) 16:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have translated the above above text by User:TarzanASG from Russian to English using Google Translate ([http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%D0%A2%D0%BE%2C%20%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B6%D0%B5%20%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B5%D1%82%20%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8F%20%D0%BE%20%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%20%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%2C%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B5%D1%82%20%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%20%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D1%91%D1%82%20%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%8E%2C%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8F%D1%82%D1%8C%20%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B7%D1%8F.%20%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%20%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%91%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8F%20%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0%2C%20%D1%81%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D1%8F%20%D0%BF%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%81%D1%8C%20%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%8F.%20%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B7%D1%8F%20%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%20%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%20%D0%B8%20%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%20%D0%B2%20%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8%2C%20%D1%83%20%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%85%20%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5%20%D0%B8%20%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5%2C%20%D0%B8%20%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%2C%20%D0%B8%20%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8.%20%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%20%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%2C%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%20%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%BA%20%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D0%B5%2C%20%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BC%20%D0%B1%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%BE%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%91%20%D0%B2%20%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%87%D1%83%20-%20%D0%B8%20%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%2C%20%D0%B8%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%2C%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D1%8F%20%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%91%D1%81%20%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%20%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%81%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B0%20%D0%B2%20%D1%8D%D1%82%D1%83%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%89%D1%83%D1%8E%20%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8E.%20%D0%AF%20%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%81%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%8E%2C%20%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D0%B8%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B6%D0%BD%D1%8B%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%8F%20%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%2C%20%D0%B0%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%20%22%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%22.%20%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%2C%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%20%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%20%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%20%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%82%20%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%20%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%2C%20%D0%B0%20%D0%B8%D1%85%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5.%20%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D1%8F%20%D0%B5%D1%89%D1%91%20%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D1%82%D0%BE%2C%20%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8B%20%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C%20%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8E%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%20%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%20%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%2C%20%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BA%20%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA%20%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%87%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8F%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%20%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B5%D1%82%20%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%8E%20%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C. link]).

The fact that this discussion is not clear what exactly duplicates the article about the term RUnet shows that the word is living separate lives, therefore, you should not delete. Otherwise confusion starts again, which I 'm trying to fight. Do not confuse the Russian-language Internet and the Internet in Russia, they are completely different and numerical , geographical, and legal figures. Also, look interwiki to this article, there was a mixture of everything in a pile - and the Russian Internet , Russian and so I suffered such interwiki it here in this general article. I long felt that the article should be called standardized and not " Runet ". However, under Runet often do not understand Russian or Russian Internet , and their union. So I once again for an article about to leave this word because it chrezyvayno popular and has independent significance.


 * – Note to closer: within the text above by User:TarzanASG (translated into English), it states " you should not delete ". NorthAmerica1000 01:56, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * User:TarzanASG already lodged a "keep" !vote higher up, so this is indeed just a comment. --Stfg (talk) 11:52, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've struck the above. NorthAmerica1000 11:53, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per my rationale at the previous deletion discussion for this article:


 * Per Wikipedia's Five pillars, the encyclopedia also functions as an almanac. This type of information is found in almanacs. Also, importantly, the term "Runet" also applies to other aspects of the internet besides just the internet in Russia. From the article: "in 2009, a Yandex report stated that Runet can pertain to sites written in Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian and Kazakh languages​​, as well as sites in any language published in the national domain .am, .az, .by, .ge, .kg, .kz, .md, .ru, .su, .tj, .ua или uz". Therefore, a redirect to the Internet in Russia article would not improve the encyclopedia and would be inaccurate, because this topic also pertains to other countries. Also, using a translation service, the article in the reference within this comment contains a very detailed analysis of the term. The term is exceedingly more complex than a simple dictionary definition.
 * Source


 * – NorthAmerica1000 01:35, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The fact that it needed a Russian-language source (and that all the sources in the article are in Russian) rather suggests that it is a Russian term, not an English one. --Stfg (talk) 11:52, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment There's two separate articles Internet in Russia and Internet in Russian and this article overlaps both and adds nothing while being written in dictionary style. I'm sticking with my above call for delete.GliderMaven (talk) 03:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Further comment Really Runet (terminology) is just a badly written disambiguation page; and there even is already a separate disambiguation page; we don't need two disamb pages.GliderMaven (talk) 14:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge with Internet in Russian. There may be slight differences, but this can be clarified on the merge page. Orser67 (talk) 02:12, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - Of note is that the article is tagged as expandable from the Russian Wikipedia article about the topic at Рунет (термин). To read an English-translated version of the Russian Wikipedia article, click here. NorthAmerica1000 07:00, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: the subject is definitely notable, although the article fails miserably at explaining the actual phenomena. I would support merge option, but in opposite way: merge Internet in Russian into Runet. The article needs major surgery (actually writing proper article, moving over redirect) though. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 20:14, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.