Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rupert Mitford, 6th Baron Redesdale


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The result was   keep or "nomination withdrawn", take your pick. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Rupert Mitford, 6th Baron Redesdale

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Non-notable individual. Having a peerage is enough of a claim to notability to pass A7, but not enough to pass WP:BIO unless they have done other things with their life. While members of the House of Lords are Members of Parliament, the idea that MPs are automatically notable applies to commons members, since those people have done something with their life other than get born. Ironholds (talk) 20:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Gah, I'd withdraw if I knew how. Passes GNG, no problem here from me. Ironholds (talk) 00:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

see the others. Haven't I said something about the queen?Max Mux (talk) 20:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I replied to it. Ironholds (talk) 20:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Anything I'm saying on the other disc belongs heere as well!Max Mux (talk) 20:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The inherent notability rule WP:POLITICIAN refers to "People who have held international, national or first-level sub-national political office, including members of a legislature and judges." It doesn't say anything about how they got there.  It doesn't matter whether you think the House of Lords should be part of a national legislature.  Britain can run its government however it wants to. Mandsford (talk) 21:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh I know, I'm British, and I don't know why you took this to be some kind of attack against the political system. Members of Parliament can be expected to have coverage - people certainly don't pay as much attention to the hereditary peers, which strikes right at the base of the reason we have notability guidelines in the first place. Ironholds (talk) 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Then show us the guideline that says the rule only applies to members of the House of Commons. Mandsford (talk) 21:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There isn't one, but the guideline is there based on the idea that there will be some coverage of the elected members, either through their election or their work in the Commons. There is no reason to suggest that these guys would get coverage for uhm, being born, and google seems to agree on this point. He helped set up a company that has some brief coverage, but that's it. Ironholds (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

But that makes no sense. I agree that they shouldn't have a seat but nonetheless they are relevant.Max Mux (talk) 21:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly meets WP:POLITICIAN. If the nominator believes existing notability guidelines should be changed, Afd is not the place to do it. Edward321 (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete > there's a severe lack of reliable sources (the only one listed is self-published) to establish any sort of genuine notability. Also, though less importantly, he seems to have had a singularly boring and uneventful life, and I don't see how or why any Wikipedia reader should be remotely interested in him. ╟─ Treasury Tag ► ballotbox ─╢ 08:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * People involved in this discussion may be interested in my proposal at the talkpage of WP:BIO. Ironholds (talk) 09:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I've seen Redesdale on TV a few times for his work for Red Squirels and he also sits in the House of Lords post 1991 Kernel Saunters (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Liberal Democrat spokesman in the House of Lords. Received life peerage as Baron Mitford in 2000. Tryde (talk) 20:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Tryde  Phoe  talk  00:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep He has exterminated about 20,000 Americans - squirrels, that is. A most notable patriot. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, active member of the British legislature. Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC).
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - seems to pass WP:N as well as WP:POLITICIAN. Rlendog (talk) 21:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.