Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rupert Onslow, Viscount Cranley


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The result was   redirect to Earl of Onslow. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Rupert Onslow, Viscount Cranley

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He's only a courtesy viscount, failing WP:POLITICIAN. The only notable thing about him is his choice of wife, and notability isn't inherited. Ironholds (talk) 00:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment (and this is a comment rather than a keep). Before nominating a living British peer or holder of a courtesy title, I would suggest checking the person's entry in Who's Who (which I don't currently have access to, but which is available at many good libraries). The sources used to create the current article don't list his occupation or volunteer activities, and I have no information myself. I have been unable to find anything else about him, so perhaps he really isn't notable. It seems likely, though, that someone with his advantages would have a good chance of doing things that would establish his notability. A search for "Rupert Onslow" or for "Lord Cranley" doesn't turn up any useful new information about him, but perhaps he is better known by a nickname or another of his given names. - Eastmain (talk) 01:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, but you could expect that from the person who established the article. I think your proposal has flaws, and I hope that you and the community will accept that there is good reason for such people to have their own entry.
 * At what point in their life does an heir apparent become notable? From your proposal, it appears that this person's choice of spouse is notable to you. (Is notability only related to what a person does? If so, then there are various people who should not be mentioned in the Wikipedia, such as Rosemary Kennedy whose only claim to fame may be to be the most famous person lobotomised (although that claim is also arguable) but who seemingly 'did' not much at all.)
 * At what level of the nobility does an heir apparent become notable? Let's agree (I think) that the heir apparent to a royal crown is notable, but is the heir apparent to a Duke? Perhaps a European Count, but not his heir apparent? (Be assured that I will be adding to the entries of the Count of Harmel, which has just changed hands from Pierre Harmel.) But, what about Belgian Viscounts? Do we leave them to the Belgian Wikipedia, so we should delete any entries in the English Wikipedia?
 * Are you also proposing that all other British courtesy Viscounts should be removed? If not, why not? Would you move to block the creation of articles on those without entries already? If not, why not? Would Linley make the cut? Is heading up a furniture business and an auction house enough? Macmillan, the fashion label owner? Dangan, the securities trader? But, they are Viscounts!- Peter Ellis - Talk 05:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * An heir apparent becomes notable when they pass WP:BIO. Macmillan and Linley do this; Onslow does not. My comment about the choice of spouse was what is known as sar-ca-sm. There's no need to go off on one; it's a long-established principle that other than members of the House of Lords pre-1999 and post-99 members with seats, all peers are expected to pass WP:BIO; courtesy peers particularly. Ironholds (talk) 14:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Earl of Onslow. Only to have and use a courtesy title is not enough to pass WP:Notability. Phoe   talk   18:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I originally edited this article in 2008 becasue I had wanted to know who the Lady Cranley was who is on the board of Invicta Plastics. If the article is deleted (something I don't necessarily support) please ensure that this and any other information is merged into another article in a sensible place so that it's not lost, rather than blindly deleting it and people's research with it.  J Rawle  (Talk) 11:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  01:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * With some regret, Delete article and redirect to Earl of Onslow. His father is notable, since he is a member of the House of Lords, but there is certainly that he will follow his father.  Currently he is a NN insurance executive.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to recreation in the future. Doesn't appear to qualify for inclusion yet as it has been noted due to the fact that it is a courtesy title.   Cocytus   [»talk«]  15:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.