Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Geoffrey Banks (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus defaulting to keep. ansh 666 20:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Russell Geoffrey Banks
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Non-notable actor lacking in-depth, non-trivial support. References consist primarily of single line mentions - lacks strong WP:SECONDARY support. Awards appear to be minor in nature. WP:TOOSOON applies. red dogsix (talk) 20:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Keep - Non-notable actor lacking in-depth, this is your opinion. If you google and see that his latest movie trailer has over 6 million views combined his rank on imdb is good his other latest film is in the cinema right now in multiple countrys. References are either whole reviews about him in movies or actual videos. Imdb is the movie data base i trust that alot more the redodgsix. If your not a horror fan fair enough but that doesnt mean your opinion is right. Just google his name and you can see he is worthy of being on here. This is a review from movie pilot one of the biggest film sites on the net.Russell Geoffrey Banks is the real star here, and his performance is one of the finest I've seen in a horror film as of late. https://moviepilot.com/p/whos-watching-oliver-horror-influences/4286920 Maybe the page might need to be altered certainly not deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chezleblanc (talk • contribs)


 * Comment - You seem to be under the impression Wikipedia "notability" is related to "real-world" notability. This is not the case. The popularity of the movie trailer has no bearing on his WP:N - unfortunately notability is not inherited.  The references are with very few exceptions single line mentions of him or reviews of the movies he is in.  There is an issue with using IMDB, it can be added to without editorial supervision and unlike Wikipedia, is not subject to correction by the community.  If one Googles the actor's name, using quotation marks to restrict the search, there are only 167 entries.  Far from all are significant mentions of the search subject.  The movie pilot article is a great start.  If you can find more like this that would push the article to a keep.   red dogsix (talk) 23:15, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - If one Googles the actor's name, using quotation marks to restrict the search, there are only 167 entries. I think your google isn't working I have just googled using quotations Russell Geoffrey Banks and I can see he is on over 100.000 sites same on Yahoo most of them are on film and horror sites.The awards if you're a horror fan they are certainly of note, for example, horror hound weekend is one of the biggest horror conventions. IMDB is the standard for the film every credit has to be approved by the film in questions production.http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3086789/. You can go on to netflix and see a list of his movies. one the links was an interview with the actor http://horrorgeeklife.com/2017/06/18/whos-watching-oliver-interview/. in the cultured vultures review they said Russell Geoffrey Banks completely transforms himself into Oliver. A lesser actor might have turned this very comic character into a caricature. Oliver’s believability hinges on Banks’ performance, and he pulls it off. https://culturedvultures.com/whos-watching-oliver-2017-review/ this was on the magazines horrorfreak news a large horror website Co-writer Russell Geoffrey Banks delivers a wonderfully awkward and pained performance as the title character — which from the get-go had me thinking that he must have studied the work of Billy Bob Thornton as Carl in the Oscar-winning wonder, Sling Blade.  With a similar hunched body language and a pronounced under-bite, Banks (who from all accounts appears to be a pretty handsome guy) transforms into a character who has been thrown down at every turn of his life.  And once we learn his very dark history (via some drawings he shares with his unnamed cat — I loved this scene), the sympathy for this murderous and odd character begins to seep in.  Eventually, you’ll come to like Oliver a great deal.  And this is a credit to Banks.  Oliver’s not always in a great mood and so Banks offers up several sides to Oliver — portraying this character’s many emotions (heartbreak, frustration, confusion) and all to equally great effect. http://horrorfreaknews.com/whos-watching-oliver-2017-review you will see the same type of interviews on all the biggest horror sites from the last few months.
 * http://www.dreadcentral.com/reviews/227293/whos-watching-oliver-2017/
 * https://rue-morgue.com/movie-review-whos-watching-oliver-proves-homicidal-mamas-boys-can-still-get-to-you/
 * http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movie/whos-watching-oliver
 * http://bloody-disgusting.com/indie/3442296/whos-watching-oliver-trailer-goes-little-mad/
 * http://gingernutsofhorror.com/film-reviews/whos-watching-oliver
 * In films such a pernicious cam2cam ghost house you can also see he is spoken about. Obviously not to the same degree because that film he wasn't winning awards for and getting the same attention. With the commercials he has done I just put the direct link to where you can see them.
 * Also, i would like to point out that the actor's star meter ranking is extremely good proving that he is on 1000s of sites and he is being clicked on by fans. this is from IMDB Could someone "rig" the ratings by visiting an IMDb page repeatedly?
 * No. IMDb.com has more than 250 million unique monthly visitors. The STARmeterTM, MOVIEmeterTM, and COMPANYmeterTM rankings are based on a cumulative total of more than 3 billion page views per month. Furthermore, we have designed the ranking algorithm so that the actions of one user (or small group of users) have a limited impact; we monitor STARmeterTM rankings for any possible fraudulent traffic generation, and the algorithm is periodically improved to detect and neutralize any attempts to 'stuff the ballot'.
 * Now as I said the article may need changing but certainly doesn't warrant deleting.I would be extremely grateful if someone with better knowledge of Wikipedia than myself would make the appropriate changes thank you.


 * Links to to reviews that talk very highly about Russell Geoffrey Banks
 * http://morbidlybeautiful.com/review-whos-watching-oliver/
 * http://horrorgeeklife.com/2017/06/13/whos-watching-oliver-2017-review/
 * http://www.monkeysfightingrobots.com/review-whos-watching-oliver-would-make-norman-bates-uncomfortable/
 * http://horrorfreaknews.com/whos-watching-oliver-2017-review
 * http://www.screamhorrormag.com/whos-watching-oliver-film-review/
 * http://beneaththeunderground.com/film-review-whos-watching-oliver-2017/
 * https://www.pophorror.com/whos-watching-oliver-2017-movie-review/
 * http://gingernutsofhorror.com/film-reviews/whos-watching-oliver
 * http://bloody-disgusting.com/indie/3442296/whos-watching-oliver-trailer-goes-little-mad/


 * Comment - Google - Go to the last page that has entries for "Russell Geoffrey Banks", the number at the bottom it is significantly less than 100K - 100, maybe 200 hundred - I am not sure why Google shows up this way. As for the actor, granted he is getting some good press, let's see what the community says about keeping the article. BTW - See WP:IMDBREF and WP:RS/IMDB about the use of IMDB as a reference.  red dogsix (talk) 14:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

reddogsix as I can see you know a lot more about Wikipedia then myself. I would be eternally grateful if you would edit that page so it can stay on here.I am not very accomplished on here so if you could either delete the parts that should go or add the parts that should go on. even if it is a lot smaller but I do feel he is worthy of being on here. I am a horror and film fan and have been following his work for a number of years but this year I feel he deserves to be on here.Thank you I hope you will be able to help reddogsix and this is not asking to much. <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:19, 10 September 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:12, 17 September 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as has prominent roles in notable productions so passes WP:NACTOR and the coverage shown above adds up to a pass of WP:GNG Atlantic306 (talk) 22:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 18:12, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


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