Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russia–Turkey proxy conflict


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The topic is well-sourced per Gundoganfa, so ultimately it comes down to a difference of opinion whether WP:SYNTH is violated. I see no consensus, whether quantitatively or qualitatively. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Russia–Turkey proxy conflict

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Article entirely made upon WP:SYNTH, with the term "proxy conflict" being used in less than %1 of the references, synthesizing events not called a part of this "proxy conflict" in their references under this article. HeydarTalip (talk) 07:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as far as I can tell from Google Scholar results, there is no Russia–Turkey proxy conflict. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  08:08, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Ե րևանցի talk 13:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: here is my opinion. The conflict between Turkey and Russia has yet resulted in a complete collapse of relations, as the two nations still maintain their embassies and trades. However, Turkey and Russia do have confrontations, but I do believe it doesn't extend in the level of proxy fighting that Iran and Saudi Arabia have. We should find an alternative name for it. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 13:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, possibly merge some of it: We already have Russia–Turkey relations which is not a too long article. Geschichte (talk) 20:35, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, This topic is notable, it's mentioned in a lot of news and there can be found google-schoolars articles... I suggest to look for several different keywords to find resources; Russian-Turkish Proxy Conflict, Russian-Turkish Proxy War, Russian-Turkish war in 2000's... Gundoganfa (talk) 19:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: all of these "proxy conflict" articles (save for actual, notable, well-written ones, ex. Iran–Israel proxy conflict and Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict) are little more than collections of infobox and timeline gore. Lightspecs (talk) 01:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete A misleading title that does not reflect reality. The article focuses too much on Syria and on the reactions of other parties to the “conflict.” The two countries share many reflections on many issues and there is commercial and diplomatic exchange between them. It will be correct to describe their relationship as merely a discord continuing since many decades and not just since 2012.--Sakiv (talk) 07:40, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, If you want to delete this page then you would have to replace it with something else ,because whether you like it or not this is going on and is on par with the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict in scale. There are multiple proxies and hundreds of soldiers killed on both side. If you look at the all the conflict in the middle east and Caucasus you will see that Russian and turkey always support opposing sides. Armenia, the SAA, and HOR with Russia. Azerbaijan, the SNA, and GNA with turkey. They also use mercenaries like the Wagner Group and the Syrian National Army. Turkish drones have killed Russian mercenaries and Russian fighter jets have killed turkish soldiers. --Garmin21 (talk) 05:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Gundoganfa and Garmin21 BlueD954 (talk) 08:40, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, there’s is a real conflict going on between Turkey and Russia, so if you want it to be deleted, it won’t, since there’s enough cute evidence. 75.168.222.162 (talk) 16:52, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Gundoganfa  Śα ǿt ur α 💬 19:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Gundoganfa and Garmin21's arguments. Demoxica (talk) 01:25, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Russia–Turkey relations (very selectively); the article currently is a disgusting hive of WP:SYNTH (particularly in the infobox) and over-detailed descriptions of the conflict in Syria, but there are discussions of a proxy conflict in Libya . I don't see a reason why the countries' relations can't be described in the article on their relations. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 01:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up. There are plenty of sources in the article and found in WP:BEFORE. The article does need a lot of work, but it is a notable subject.  // Timothy ::  talk  05:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: As it stands, it is outdated and misleading. Till it is recreated from scratch, the wiki is better without it. If it can be done promptly, good, but seeing as it sat mostly untouched for five years...Smeagol 17 (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge to Russia–Turkey relations. Really not a proxy conflict at all.Mr.User200 (talk) 16:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Shadow4dark (talk) 16:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


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