Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russian-Ukrainian wars


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Russian-Ukrainian wars

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Invalid disambig page: None of the "wars" listed are known as "Russian-Ukrainian war. Staszek Lem (talk) 01:09, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Convert to set index and list wars between Muscovy and Kievan Rus, Ruthenians and Muscovy, Black Russia and Great Russia. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 02:24, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You forgot Halych-Volhynia and skirmishes between Drevlyans, Dregovichs, Polyans and other early tribes. But this all is irrelevant. 16:35, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Convert to set index: Note that disambiguation pages are also discussed under WP:AFD. I've removed the disambig tag and added the cat Lists of wars by region.-- JHunterJ (talk) 13:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If the set index or list is emptied, feel free to read this !vote as Delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I find it weird to have any set index for things that did not exist. Did you gyus read my nomination or not? For those who is not faminiar in this part of history in this part of land, it is like make Spanish-Soviet War to set index of Spanish-Soviet War (1941-1944)=bla-bla in World War II and Spanish-Soviet War (1936-1939)=bla-bla in Spanish Civil War. Also, may I notice that there was no such country as Ukraine during these times: it was part of Poland or Russia. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:35, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ukrainian People's Republic & Cossack Hetmanate where countries, and it is argued by scholars that they where predecessors of current Ukraine. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  16:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against UPR (a single valid entry), but it does not change the fact that none of the other listed conflicts are called "Ukrainin-Russian war" in scholarly sources. And it is not wikipedia job to invent terminology. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I also do think that the term Russian-Ukrainian wars is misleading; how about making a page List of wars on the territory of Ukraine? That could fill the gap of the missing Wikipedia article List of wars involving Ukraine (with a re-direct). —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  19:47, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * They, and List of military conflicts within the territory of Ukraine, are valid possible pages, but they have no relation to the one under discussion, with invented names. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:25, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Move discussion to AfD. This is a article page, it should be listed at Articles for Deletion, not here, I presume. - Nabla (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I moved this page from MFD to AFD at about 04:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC), since it's easier than a procedural close and starting all over again. Nyttend (talk) 04:23, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment shouldn't Articles for deletion/Russian-Ukrainian wars redirect here then? -- 70.24.246.233 (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * [@ the movers] Thanks. [@70...] It is here, and MfD redirects here (at the time I write) - Nabla (talk) 13:44, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that I removed this from the MFD log and transcluded it to the AFD log. Moving the page in the sense of WP:MOVE didn't even come to mind.  Nyttend (talk) 17:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * But it did to EdJohnston's, and very well so - Nabla (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename to Wars between Russia and Ukraine or something along those lines. Do those redlinks have articles under different names? Lukeno94 (talk) 17:45, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment -- You miss main main objection. Scholarly sources must be provided which describe the listed skirmishes as "wars between Russia and Ukraine". And no, there are no such articles, nor sections in the blue-linked articles which say about "war between Russia and Ukraine". Staszek Lem (talk) 22:21, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Move discussion to AfD. If no scholarly sources exist, as Staszek suggests, it cannot be an article page, it must be listed at Articles for Deletion, unless primary sources are found.Editor400 (talk) 21:56, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This discussion is being held at AFD. It's transcluded at Articles for deletion/Log/2013 January 26, and the name of the discussion has been changed away from the previous Miscellany for deletion/Russian-Ukrainian wars.  Nyttend (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete; as far is I know scholarly sources do not refere to these wars as Russian-Ukrainian. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  22:34, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * PS I have indeed read scholarly sources about Ukraine [[File:Angel-smiley.png]]. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  22:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 21:56, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. It would not be an article because there is no such concept, and it would not be a disambiguation page because there are no target articles. Nothing to salvage, just delete it. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.