Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russian Airplay Chart


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Delete ALL Consensus seems clear here.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 01:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Russian Airplay Chart

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Non-notable chart, not approved by the IFPI. No hits on GNews in English or Russian. No information on Tophit.ru was found online either, regarding which stations are surveyed or how the airplay/spin/etc. data are tabulated. The chart name has a huge number of incoming links, but the mess can easily be cleaned up.

Also nominating related articles:

Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * My my what a disruptive nomination clearly shows how the charts work, and that they are utilised by several hundred radio stations in Russia, Ukraine, CIS and Baltic states. That they don't belong to some IFPI, does not mean that they are any less worthy. Speedy keep and slap the nominator with a trout for the disruptive nom as a result of Articles for deletion/Singing Together. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 17:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What the flying toasters? How is this disruptive? It's entirely in good faith. I strongly suggest you remove your false accusations. My concern here is that there's no notability — no secondary sources, nothing besides the chart's own website to verify even one iota of this information. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 17:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * SonyBMG Russia have a link to tophit.ru on their website . They also partner with Universal Music Russia. Gala Records too - who is EMI, Virgin, Capitol Records, Parlophone Records, etc in Russia. Some further information can be found on ru:Tophit and, etc. Also, I won't be retracting comments, particularly as you have called it a "mess". In other words, it appears to me that you wish to remove any mention of this chart from Wikipedia, way to fight systematic bias there. I don't see WP:RUSSIA, or anyone else, being approached to see if further information could be found before bringing it here to AfD. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 17:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And then we also have Google News results, which not only have information from Russian news sources, but also from as far afield as the Dominican Republic. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 17:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weird. Why did I get "your search turned up no results" when I typed tophit.ru into Google News? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't answer that question unfortunately :) Also, is the link for Universal Music. Here's info from NewsMusic.ru. And of course Yandex.ru is probably a better avenue to search for Russian results. Also, I will somewhat retract my "disruptive" comments; time and time and time again I see nominations for Russian singers come up at AfD, and time and time and time again it is demonstrated that nominators have not searched in Russian; that's no biggy, but this is one of the main advantages of having WikiProjects, so that they can be approached if in doubt. Please consider using WP:RUSSIA in future, as information can sometimes be a little bit hard to find, but more often than not it is able to be found - if in deed they are notable. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 18:17, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's because different regional editions of GoogleNews return different results. Russavia's link was via GoogleNews Australia.  There are also quite a few hits via GoogleNews Russia, but I only got one irrelevant result when I first tried to search the default US edition GoogleNews.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 13, 2010; 18:20 (UTC)
 * Having looked at it, I think we could delete the Moscow Airplay Chart article and those lists, as they regional, and only from 25 radio stations. It's not that huge a chart, whereas the Russian chart is much larger (400+ radio stations). Sorry, didn't see those lists in there, and I too was going to AfD those a while back. But not the all-Union list. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 18:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs references, but not disruption How is nominating an article for deletion disruptive? Basket of Puppies  17:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Useful and well done lists, looks fine. Carrite (talk) 18:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. An obscure, non-notable chart, virtually unknown here in Russia. --Ghirla-трёп- 18:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Where are the RS about this chart? note: don't TELL me they exist, add them to the article and then I'll reexamine the issue and reconsider my !vote --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note The Russian Airplay articles have been moved to Airplay Detection TopHit 100 titles, as this is the actual name of the chart. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 20:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. We have to be wary of systematic bias, the airplay charts of Russia are as relevant as the airplay charts of the United States. Sources won't be widespread, as Eastern European music has limited resources out there (as I found a few years back when I couldn't garner enough sources to keep Featured Article status on my biggest article-space contribution). Esteffect (talk) 21:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Limited suggests that some RS exists - so where are they? --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, although I have clearly given some of those sources via links I have placed here, you could have taken it upon yourself to add information and some of those sources. But never fear, I am doing this myself and will be putting them into the article in due course. I actually have better things to do on WP, but this is one case of WP:BIAS that needs to be nipped in the bud. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 22:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually have better things to do on WP than sourcing articles? Well thank you great one for gracing us humble editors with your presence. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. --Cameron Scott (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I mean, I actually have better things to do then spend time on articles related to modern Russian music - because frankly, most of it is shite. But the WP:BIAS in this area is astounding from my past observations. If the shit that is called music in the English speaking world is able to be on this project, then I guess the crap that is called music in Russia also has its place. :) (P.S. Two songs which are exempt from my derision above are Небо славян and Нахрена нам война - talk about from one extreme to the other) --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 22:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete, no reliable sources, thus no notability. Also, having lived in Russia all my life, I have never heard of such a chart before reading the WP article, which is pretty strange, imho. Yes, I know that such arguments are hardly valid, but still... Qweedsa (talk) 15:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So far, the only arguments provided by keepers are WP:USEFUL and WP:LOSE. Any promises of reliable sources are not backed up; what little sources Russavia found amount to nothing more than press releases announcing the nth anniversary of tophit.ru when run through Google Translate. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 00:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom...and I also thought Airplay charts were a no-no? Like the Hot 100 Airplay. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 16:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as trivia... and do NOT relist again. :| TelCo  NaSp  Ve :|  20:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all no sources provided and proven, and no notability demonstrated for any of it. I'm aware of systematic bias arguments, but that isn't an argument that holds water for keeping things that aren't notable around. Courcelles 22:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.