Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russian Nationalist Movement of Estonia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. — Jake   Wartenberg  03:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Russian Nationalist Movement of Estonia

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This is a hoax. External links lead to materials in which there is no mention of this organization. Perhaps the article was created to slander the politicians whose names we find in the article. In the Russian wiki article was also deleted. Gruznov (talk) 10:17, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions.  --  Beloved  Freak  10:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * G3 Hoax. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 17:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hoax is unclear - mostly the English name is the issue, I think. This article uses Russian Nationalist Movement of Estonia - which might be Vene Kodanike Liit which has Juri Mišin as a chairman. See, , (mentions also Kogan as previous chairman), . I will look more closely at it tomorrow, short of time right now. -- Sander Säde  17:55, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, unreferenced, self-promotion, btw the russian page has already been deleted. New seeker (talk) 11:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't find any evidence that this group even exists let alone a source that would establish notability.Rusty Cashman (talk) 07:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename. I removed the dubious information and added sources to the little I could find. Like I said previously, I think name is the biggest issue. As they don't seem to have an official English name, I found several English versions of the name, Association of Russian Citizens, Union of Russian Citizens, Russian Nationalist Movement of Estonia (gcache) etc. I think the article should be moved to Union of Russian Citizens, as BBC uses it.
 * In truth, I am not sure if the original article was hoax or not - however, as it is now, it is a valid stub about the movement.
 * -- Sander Säde 07:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I decided to be bold and moved the stub to Union of Russian Citizens. Feel free to undo the move if you deem it inaproppriate - otherwise, perhaps we can have an early close of AfD, as the original issues are now addressed. -- Sander Säde 13:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * keep with the title proposed by Sander. Note that the original was indeed a hoax by a Bloomfield sock puppet. -- Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 17:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting note: The article was moved and entirely rewritten during the AfD. More comment is required to determine whether any reasons for deletion still apply.  Sandstein   06:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete unless English language sources can be found. Possible hoax. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 16:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is obviously not a hoax (the original justification for deletion) but a really existing organization - per sources.Biophys (talk) 03:49, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I see that the article includes but it seems to be bad idea. Union of Russian Citizens struggle for citizenship rights of Russian-speaking peoples only  as far as I know. Gruznov (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - not a hoax. Try searching its Estonian and Russian names (vene kodanike liit / Эстонский республиканский союз граждан России). Lots of sources for both. Óðinn ☭☆ talk 03:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.