Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rusty Cooley


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The result was   keep as passing WP:MUSIC. Bearian (talk) 18:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Rusty Cooley

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Guitar instructor. Released an album that never charted. A little coverage on "shred guitar" blogs, but pretty much unknown outside of that small community. See also Articles for deletion/Rusty Cooley (album) Gigs (talk) 17:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- Gigs (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems notable enough.  Several dozen hits at Google News including Newsweek, Dallas Morning News, and assorted guitar magazines.  His website's "press" page also has a long list, and while a lot of these are blogs there are at least a few real reliable sources sprinkled in there as well.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There's exactly one hit at Google news, and it's just his name in a list of names. The "newsweek mention" is an absolutely passing mention, in an article about a slow-motion camera project.  Gigs (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I get 33 hits in Google News archives (see link above). Thank you for finding the text of that Newsweek reference: to me, the wording of that reference, "Houston-based great Rusty Cooley", is pretty fair evidence of his actual significance.--Arxiloxos (talk) 20:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I only get exactly one hit in google news, even using your link. Could you check again? Gigs (talk) 20:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's odd. Yes, I get 33.  Some of these are pay sites and a few are from message boards or other non-RS parts of the relevant publication, but here are some examples.  Based on the search result page, this one in the Idaho Stateman appears to place him at #7 on a list of the top 10 shredders of all time (just ahead of Buckethead!) . (I note that Cooley's press page has a deadlink to a similar page from Guitar One Magazine--I don't know if it's the same list.) It seems to me that there's sufficient indication here that he's sufficiently recognized to justify his article.--Arxiloxos (talk) 21:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * All of those are passing mentions, with the exception of the interview. The fact that Cooley was interviewed by a non-notable site does not give sufficient indication of notability.  Goodvac   ( talk ) 10:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet WP:BIO. The Google News search does not show significant coverage in independent reliable sources.  Goodvac   ( talk ) 10:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to meet the music notability for musicians (5,6) and others (1,2,5).  Amazon carries at least 3 products associated with him.    Th e S te ve   13:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "It's notable" votes have no substance. How does Cooley meet WP:COMPOSER criteria 5 and 6? With respect to criteria 5, it would be helpful if you pointed out exactly where it says that Cooley was a "major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter or lyricist that meets the above criteria". As for criteria 5, I have already stated above that there is no significant coverage of Cooley, in effect, disproving the claim that he "[a]ppears at reasonable length in standard reference books on his or her genre of music". Your second claim that criteria 1, 2, and 5 are met is faulty. (1) He has not written lyrics for a notable composition. (2) He has not written a composition that appeared in a notable theater. (5) I've already discussed that. In short, it seems as if you have arbitrarily chose numbers in an attempt to demonstrate notability.  Goodvac   ( talk ) 08:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I will be more specific. MUSICIANS (not composers) Criteria 5: 2 albums, Outworld on Replica Records and Rusty Cooley on Lion Records.  Criteria 6, member of Outworld from 1997 to 2009.
 * Non traditional media criteria 1 Is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching in a particular music genre, as a guitar instructor, including the book Eight-String Guitarists ISBN-10: 1156833418 and guitar endorsements ie Dean USA Rusty Cooley Guitar, 7 String Graphic by Dean Guitars
 * criteria 2 Rusty has many successful students, such as Chris Storey (ex All Shall Perish) and Mica Roth, former member of Hybreed.
 * Criteria 5 Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture - Rusty's website has a "Press" section that shows this. Put all these together and I'm pretty sure he's over the threshhold. Cheers,    Th e S te ve   10:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "Eight-String Guitarists" was published by Books LLC, so it's just a compilation of Wikipedia articles containing the text of this article and others from Category:Eight-string guitarists. I therefore removed it from the article, as it's no reliable source. Regards, --Kam Solusar (talk) 21:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Good catch. Gigs (talk) 04:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (t) (c) 12:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Keep I don't know a lot about this, but the article is far from an orphan, even discounting the user pages that link to it. I came here because I am working (somewhat) on two articles that link to this page, and the use of the link cannot be substituted with a different example, they deal specifically with him. I'm not sure if that even matters in the discussion, but thought I'd put my two cents in. 198.30.144.21 (talk) 03:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep His outworld album was a favorite of John Petrucci of Dream Theater. His band Day Of Reckoning's new songs have been complimented by Karl Sanders of Nile. He's played guest solos for popular core groups All Shall Perish and Austrian Death Machine. He did some work on After The Burial's new album In Dreams. Deleting the article would be an affront to modern metal society, saying that one of our best guitarists is insignificant because his album didn't chart, seriously it's metal it's not meant to chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.112.161.175 (talk) 15:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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