Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rusty Whitt


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The result was keep. Sources provided and not countered. WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP and all that; also previous deleted versions of the article have no bearing on the current version. (non-admin closure) ansh 666 20:30, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Rusty Whitt

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Does not meet WP:GRIDIRON does not meet WP:GNG this is a vanity page. The sources are either associated: texastech, raging cajuns, hamstrong... or do not mention him: history.com, fiesta bowl, Mention him in passing: coachad, armedforcesbowl. This is the second time this page has been created once as an autobiographical article by User:Rustywhitt and now by MediaMGT which is a WP:SPA. I suggest salting this. Domdeparis (talk) 17:11, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the nom: googlenews only shows - either WP:PRIMARY sourcing or sourcing that clearly fails WP:INDY. &mdash;  O Fortuna!   Imperatrix mundi.  17:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the nom. I remember this going through CSD a few weeks ago, initally nominated as A7, then blanked and deleted as A3. Jake Brockman (talk) 18:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete as per the nom. Reads like a press release; not notable. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and not seeing enduring notability. Kierzek (talk) 23:16, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt as per the nom. "...is a former Green Beret..." is definitely press release talk. Striking my comment; I'm not a sports fan, so I'll stand mute.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  00:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep (and hold the salt). Issues of tone are editing issues, rather than a basis for deletion. Like many (maybe most?) assistant coaches for Power Five football teams, Whitt has received significant coverage in multiple, reliable, and independent sources, including and ESPN College Gameday profile, so as to pass WP:GNG. I found multiple articles from the last 30-day period alone. Examples of the coverage include: (1) ESPN College Gameday Profile of Rusty Whitt, ESPN, Nov 15, 2012; (2) "How adding strength coach Rusty Whitt is stepping up Texas Tech's aggressiveness", The Dallas Morning News, Aug 2, 2016; (3) "A year wiser: Rusty Whitt, Red Raiders make adjustments after a season getting to know each other", Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, March 16, 2017; (4) "Whitt tries to put resilience in Red Raiders, Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, March 21, 2017; (5) "Ragin’ Cajuns strength and conditioning coach Rusty Whitt leaving for Texas Tech", The Advocate, Jan 20, 2016; (6) "You Don't Want to Mess With" New Texas Tech Coach Rusty Whitt, Everythinglubbock.com (KLBK and KAMC); (7) "UL’s Rusty Whitt Named Most Intimidating Strength And Conditioning Coach In Football", ESPN 1420, September 26, 2013; (8) "Texas Tech Hires Most Intimidating Strength and Conditioning Coach in NCAA, 1340 The Fan, Jan 11, 2016, (9) Rusty Whitt Shows How Much of a Bad-Ass He Is in Texas Tech’s ’22 Kill’ Video", 1340 The Fan, April 1, 2016, (10) "Whitt named finalist for Armed Forces Merit Award", Daily Toreador, Oct 24, 2016; (11) "Texas Tech hires most intimidating strength and conditioning coach in NCAA", Fox Sports, Jan 12, 2016; (12) New strength coach's intensity has Red Raiders' attention, Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, March 6, 2016; (13) "Man of many hats: Whitt’s role more nuanced than his taskmaster reputation", Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, March 17, 2017. Cbl62 (talk) 15:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep the sources provided by Cbl62 are strong evidence of notability., , , I'm taking the liberty of pinging you to give you an opportunity to state your opinion on these sources.. Lepricavark (talk) 18:44, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have to say I generally think the position of strength and condition coach within the hierarchy of staff is more of a medium position. I have just looked through the Big 12 Conference as sample group and found only 2 other strength coaches with articles, Zac Woodfin who seems to have had significant achievements as college player and was pro for a while (pass I'd say), and Jerry Schmidt, who does not seem to have been a player and is also tagged for questions of notability. Other than that I only noticed head coaches, assistant head coach or offense/defense coach. Unless someone takes the effort to create articles for the hundreds of second tier coach staff at all colleges, I don't see what stands out. In terms of mentioned sources, (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (12) and (13) are local media, (10) is the university's student paper where I'd question independence, (8) and (9) I'm unsure of the reach, but probably rather niche in the local market, (1), (7), (11) show some notability, but look more like of passing interest at the time. The article strikes me a lot like a resume. Jake Brockman (talk) 09:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The issue under WP:GNG is not whether ALL strength and conditioning coaches (see Category:American strength and conditioning coaches) should have articles. The status of other such coaches falls under WP:OSE. The only question here is whether Whitt has received significant coverage in multiple (i.e., more than one) reliable and independent sources. You concede that three of the cited sources are such coverage.  Moreover, I disagree with your dismissing other sources as "local". The Dallas Morning News, for example, is a major regional outlet, has won nine Pulitzer Prizes, and is the 12th largest newspaper in the United States. Further, there is nothing in the GNG standards that disqualifies consideration of abundant and repeated significant coverage of Whitt in outlets like the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal.  IMO this is a clear and easy GNG pass. Cbl62 (talk) 14:52, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply Hi just to point out that that that "article" in the pulitizer prize winning paper is signed "By Brandon Soliz, Texas Tech blogger". So I think that we can safely assume that it is not really that sort of source that adds to the notability of this article. Domdeparis (talk) 15:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh and just to add the story about him being the most intimidating etc etc comes from the fact that he headbutted a player who was wearing a helmet (and he wasn't) and let the blood run down his face without wiping it off...not sure if that's intimidating or just silly...Domdeparis (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree in questioning the wisdom of headbutting a helmeted player, but then again if GNG was an intelligence test, what would we do with Paris Hilton? Cbl62 (talk) 05:23, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * PH is a good example, though. She has a "USP" and sustained media coverage. She is a brand . Remember that 5-minute storm that hit global news a few weeks back about that "Swedish defence advisor" that Fox had on? I think Nils Bildt or something? Tons of google hits, including multiple pulitzer price winning papers from across the world, but his article got canned because it was seen as only of temporary, not sustained notability. I agree. I know WP:OSE is a slippery slope and every article on it's own merits. But I do see the two in a similar vain from a notability perspective. Right now what I see are a few short term media blips that may potentially just about establish notability in an otherwise very resume / linkedin style article that seeks to establish a personal brand and dips its toes into WP:Promo. IMHO I would - for now - look at it as WP:BLP1E driven somewhat by notoriety from the head butting, until sustained notability is established. Jake Brockman (talk) 08:26, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The reference to PH was actually a joke. In any event, Whitt clearly doesn't fall under WP:BLP1E as the coverage spans six years from 2012 to 2017, and the headbutting incident was in 2011.  As for the "resume" style of the article, the solution is editing, not deletion. I did take a first crack at copy editing, but it still needs work. Cbl62 (talk) 10:44, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per Cbl62's sources & research. Ejgreen77 (talk) 05:49, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:56, 28 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 06:25, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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