Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruth Kinuthia


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  18:38, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Ruth Kinuthia

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Fails WP: ANYBIO lacks any independent reliable secondary sources. Is the winner of a national beauty pageant, whilst unreferenced is still only WP:1EVENT. Insufficient notability with no significant achievements since the beauty pageant winner - didn’t even rank at international level. Dan arndt (talk) 12:15, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:20, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:20, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kenya-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:20, 19 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete a non-notable beauty pageant contestant.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - won the national title and competed at an international level at one of the "big 4" international beauty pageants. As in sports, participating in the premier international competition indicates notability. In addition, has gone on to win a national award in her industry. MurielMary (talk) 08:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, I can’t believe that are you are comparing a pageant based purely on a persons appearance against a sporting contest, which requires physical and mental skills. Besides in most cases, apart from the Olympics, an individual needs to have at least placed in an international competition, to be considered notable. Dan arndt (talk) 11:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * And I absolutely cannot believe that you have nominated these articles for deletion when you clearly have such limited knowledge of the subject matter! Beauty pageants are *not* judged purely on appearance; there are multiple sections for talent performance, presenting a charity the contestant has been involved with, completing an interview, completing a sports event and actual modelling tasks. It's an all-round competition and the winners are celebrities in their own countries. You seem to have also ignored that this subject has gone on to an award-winning career post-pageantry. MurielMary (talk) 08:03, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not at all true. We had a long lasting RfC discussion on beauty pageants, and an attempts to create a list of competitions that entering made people default notable was rejected. MurialMary's proposal is against community consensus.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:13, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:32, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the pageant's page (if any). --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete As far as I'm concerned when it comes to beauty pageants, if they didn't win or be a runner-up in one of the important ones like Miss Universe, Miss USA, Miss World etc. then it's no point of them being here. Too many articles on this website are only 3 sentences because of NO notability. Trillfendi (talk) 20:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. She passes the WP:GNG. gidonb (talk) 06:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, how does this pass GNG? GNG requires significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. This clearly doesn’t. Dan arndt (talk) 07:44, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Clearly??? Can you explain? And to your question: WP:NEXIST. gidonb (talk) 09:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as per MurielMary. Our personal feelings about these beauty pageants are irrelevant. Personally, I feel these beauty pageants and football are equally useless but my personal feelings are irrelevant. All I care about is adhering to our policies. She has won the national title and competed at an international level and for me that's good enough.Tamsier (talk) 10:22, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 17:25, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Sources are not substantive enough to establish notability. Reywas92Talk 18:14, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per WP:ANYBIO. Won national pageant, and hassince hadan established career outside of the pageant world as well. Also WP:GNG. BabbaQ (talk) 05:34, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, person is just acceptable for inclusion. Davidgoodheart (talk) 10:32, 9 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.