Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruthven College


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No consensus to delete. The discussion wrt merging can continue on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * As this closure was challenged on the basis of it being a non-admin closure, I (an administrator) affirm Ron's closure. NW ( Talk ) 01:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Ruthven College

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There are no independent reliable sources to verify this. As it hasn't come in to existance yet it also appears to be a case of WP:CRYSTAL. Fails notability criteria. Polargeo (talk) 17:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  -- - Spaceman  Spiff  18:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- - Spaceman  Spiff  18:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added two newspaper articles as references. All high schools are notable, and the decision to amalgamate the schools appears to be firm. -- Eastmain (talk) 19:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Eastmain. That at least gives more RS for the merger and starting fairly soon so WP:CRYSTAL no longer really a problem. The big problem is that we have an article on Ruthven College and no means of verifying that there will be a college with this name. So could it be merged/incubated in some way until this is verifiable? Polargeo (talk) 06:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timotheus Canens (talk) 00:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have edited the article in a way that I hope will address those concerns. Please take a look. - Eastmain (talk) 10:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That is more accurate but it now looks like original research. I'm still not sure about it as it stands and the name for the secondary school pre merger is not Ruthven at all but Lakeside Secondary College. We simply don't know if Ruthven College is even a proposed name for this new school. Polargeo (talk) 08:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually looks like the site of the merger will be the Merriland College site so will this be called Merriland College? Maybe if Merriland College is notable the best option would be to start that page and put the merger info on it and delete this page because it gets no google search hits except for Iowa, US so it would be a confusing redirect. Polargeo (talk) 08:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - it is clear that this merger is going ahead and it will produce a particularly large school. In any case, it makes no sense to delete the page only to recreate it less than a week later. TerriersFan (talk) 19:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep The merger will occur tomorrow, before the end of this AfD. Because the merger will certainly occur, there is no need reason to delete this article. The sources added by Eastmain provide enough verification for the merger. Cunard (talk) 08:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes but none of the sources show that the college will be called Ruthven College. In fact it is most likely that it will not. This is completely unverifiable. It looks like they will all remain at their present sites for a while anyway carrying on with their present names. It is not as if there is going to be an actual site merge of the schools tomorrow along with a new name, the merge is just an administrative step. It seems we are desperately trying to be one step ahead on wikipedia and this is where we can end up with incorrect articles and false information. Polargeo (talk) 15:19, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have created Merrilands College and am open to merging the information in Ruthven College to that article as you suggested above. When the schools are finally merged and when we know what the new name will be, the content can be moved to an article with that title. Will that solve this quandary? Cunard (talk) 07:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It should do. Sorry I have been very busy over Christmas so have not had much time to do this. I think it should not remain as a redirect though because it only gets google hits for Iowa, USA and no google hits at all for this place. So it would be helpful if on closing this could be deleted. Polargeo (talk) 05:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I see no reason not to merge this information now and delete the Ruthven College article. You have done a good job on the Merrilands College. Polargeo (talk) 05:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Perhaps this article can be incubated to Article Incubator/Ruthven College to preserve the content. This information will be useful when the schools are finally merged, and an article under the schools' new name can be created. Cunard (talk) 06:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.