Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruzwana Bashir (3rd nomination)

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The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 18:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Ruzwana Bashir
DELETE - This person is not remotely notable and thus this is certainly not an encyclopaedic article. There are 3 Oxford Union presidents elected every year, and have done so for the last 160+ years - but the other 500 ex-presidents do not have Wikipedia entries, only the most notable ones such as ex-Prime Ministers. Ms Bashir is certainly not notable - being the first Asian (Tariq Ali), first Asian female (Benazir Bhutto, first British-born Asian (Neil Mahapatra) may indeed be notable, but being the a) first b) British-born c) Asian d) female to be e) Oxford Union president is certainly not notable. The investigation into breaking election rules certainly does not make this notable either as there are disciplinary tribunals almost every single term now (see http://union.ars-retae.com). Putting her through a search engine, the majority of entries are copies of the Wikipedia entry. She has done nothing notable - every president (3 elected per year) is quoted in newspapers. She is now an ordinary 22-year-old student once again doing her third year of a degree along with another 10,000 undergraduates at Oxford! - Bajocbi 5 July 2005 01:26 (UTC)


 * Comment: being the first British-born Asian female to be the president of some society would be notable, depending on how notable the society is. It was founded in 1823, has had some very prominent members, and is successful in world championships, so it seems notable to me. I'd also like to note that Bajocbi is a self-described current student with an interest in the Oxford Union, so s/he may have an axe to grind with regard to this person. --bainer (talk) 5 July 2005 02:18 (UTC)
 * After reading the history and noting that the article mentions school disciplinary action against Ms. Bashir, and that Ms. Bashir apparently wants it deleted... I would think that if there were ax-grinders, it'd be the keepers, rather than the deleters. Dcarrano July 5, 2005 09:16 (UTC)
 * Reply - The first Asian Oxford Union president was Tariq Ali - that is notable. The first Asian female Oxford Union president was Benazir Bhutto - that is notable. The first British-born Asian Oxford Union president was Neil Mahapatra - not very notable. The first British-born Asian female really is not notable though, it sounds comical, virtually anyone can be the 'first' something if they have three/four conditions. As a current student who knows the person in question I know for a fact that she is not remotely notable as an encyclopaedic entry! Bajocbi 5 July 2005 02:37 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Why do you think that the first Asian female president is clearly notable, but the first British-born Asian female president is clearly non-notable?  Those both sound like good qualifications to me. Factitious July 5, 2005 06:50 (UTC)
 * Because it is in the eyes of most an achievement to be, say, the first (a) Asian, (b) female president, two conditions, but three conditions, first (a) British-born, (b) Asian, (c) female goes too far. My point is that almost any individual can hold a 'claim to fame' if they have three conditions like this - the president-elect is the first Indian female president, the current president is the first state-school gay president etc etc. Bajocbi 5 July 2005 08:53 (UTC)
 * Delete, presidents of campus organizations are rarely notable per se. As I see it, since an Asian woman became president of the Oxford Union before Ms. Bashir was born, then her becoming president of the Oxford Union as a British-born Asian woman didn't reflect a significant victory over discrimination; there's no reason to think that anyone at a British university would be prejudiced against British-born people.  --Metropolitan90 July 6, 2005 05:23 (UTC)


 * Comment: This page was on vfd before. The old discussions can be found through the history here. HollyAm 5 July 2005 02:34 (UTC)


 * Delete, this person is not notable. The proliferation of other non notable presidents of the Oxford Union Richard Tydeman (Laura Poots was voted to delete in December) is also not useful for Wikipedia.--nixie 5 July 2005 02:43 (UTC)


 * Keep. Seems NPOV and verifiable. Notability isn't grounds for deletion, especially since the information can be checked. -- Natalinasmpf 5 July 2005 03:17 (UTC)
 * Comment - NPOVness and verifiability are not valid reasons for an article existing. Proto t c 5 July 2005 13:33 (UTC)
 * Curiouser and curiouser with this whole Oxford Union saga, but anyway, Delete, not notable (or if you prefer, "Subjects of encyclopedia articles must have a claim to fame besides being fondly remembered by their friends and relatives" / "Biography articles should only be for people with some sort of notoriety or achievement.") Dcarrano July 5, 2005 03:30 (UTC)
 * There's nothing in there about being fondly remembered by friends and relatives, so I'm not sure how that quote applies. Factitious July 5, 2005 06:50 (UTC)
 * Point being, the person has to acquire a certain level of fame beyond their immediate circle that I don't think this person has. Dcarrano July 5, 2005 07:01 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable. JamesBurns 5 July 2005 03:48 (UTC)
 * Delete. Student politics are not especially notable, for reasons explained by the nominator. Wikipedia is not a directory, it is an encyclopedia.  Isomorphic 5 July 2005 04:02 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable. -- BMIComp  (talk) 5 July 2005 05:10 (UTC)
 * Keep. She's notable, and has survived VfD twice before.  Let's move on. Factitious July 5, 2005 06:50 (UTC)
 * Keep. We've been through this already.  Let's accept the decision and get on with our lives. Gamaliel 5 July 2005 06:52 (UTC)
 * Delete, good lord, she is a wannabe and a nobody. Trezures 5 July 2005 09:37 (UTC)
 * Delete Should have been deleted last time. Many of the keep votes were on principle (as the second nomination was considered too soon after the first) Proto t c 5 July 2005 13:30 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't care that much if it stays, but being the first UK-born asian female president of a debating society for a single year doesn't reflect sufficient notability to me. --Scimitar 5 July 2005 14:25 (UTC)
 * Actually she was president for a mere 9 weeks lol. There are 3 presidents each year, one for each term, and each academic term is only 2 months long (including "0th Week"). Bajocbi 5 July 2005 14:30 (UTC)
 * Delete insufficiently notable. -Splash 5 July 2005 15:04 (UTC)
 * delete self aggrandizement --Isolani 5 July 2005 15:10 (UTC)
 * Delete. College politics, no other notability. -- Marcika 5 July 2005 18:26 (UTC)
 * Delete. 62.254.64.14 5 July 2005 19:30 (UTC)
 * Merge with Oxford Union and redirect, within the Oxford Union article there is some justification for having any president. That should satisfy everyone, and I think it's a good way to avoid continually voting this article on VfD.Pedant 2005 July 5 19:41 (UTC)
 * If there is nothing more to say about this person, delete. It's had ample time for expansion since the last vote and nothing has been added.  Rossami (talk) 6 July 2005 00:51 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please do NOT overwrite the prior deletion decisions when re-nominating an article.  Instead, you must manually edit the various links to using the format Votes for deletion/PAGENAME (2nd nomination) .  I am restoring the archived versions now.  The prior discussions can be found at Votes for deletion/Ruzwana Bashir and Votes for deletion/Ruzwana Bashir (2nd nomination) respectively.  Rossami (talk) 6 July 2005 00:51 (UTC)
 * OK sorry I didn't know. Anyway the vote now stands at 14 Delete, 3 Keep, 1 Merge so it should be deleted soon. Bajocbi 6 July 2005 01:08 (UTC)
 * Delete. 15 delete, 3 keep, 1 merge (if Jeff Probst's User:Bajocbi's totals were correct (I didn't check). &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( TALK )  July 6, 2005 08:21 (UTC)
 * Delete.  Grue   6 July 2005 11:58 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't meet WP:BIO standards. Quale 7 July 2005 20:39 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable. Qwghlm July 8, 2005 11:07 (UTC)


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