Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan-Zico Black


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The result was   no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryan-Zico Black

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Falls well short of WP:NFOOTY. Guernsey are not a FIFA recognised national team, and he is as eligible for England as if he were born in Guildford, Grimsby or Gateshead. Kevin McE (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Has played in the FA Cup on a number of occasions and has also represented Northern Ireland at under 21 level. Easily meets WP:GNG with articles such as, , , , , , .Simione001 (talk) 09:57, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Playing for non pro teams in the FA Cup does not reach NFOOTY level, nor does playing in U21 internationals. Some of the websites (those from local media or past clubs) do not necessarily cut the GNG ice: I'm ambivalent on the BBC ones.  But if article does survive, then this shows its inadequacy in its current state. Kevin McE (talk) 10:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I've heard of his player and he's fairly well-known in non-League circles. However, this does not necessarily mean that he's notable. Playing in the FA Cup does definitely not confer notability on players and occasional BBC Sport coverage is not exactly enough to justify an article (otherwise I could write one on Leiston manager Mark Moresely based on this, this and several other mentions). Number   5  7  11:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would think whole articles dedicated to him would suffice? and, although Guernsey is not with FIFA he has played for his nation and would have received significant coverage. Simione001 (talk) 11:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Guernsey is not a nation, and their representative XI's matches get basically no coverage at all -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Has played for his country (Northern Ireland) at U21 level. Him now playing for his island of Guernsey is a red herring. Would him being an author (has written his auto biography) make him notable?(GsyFootball (talk) 14:08, 25 July 2012 (UTC))
 * It has long been established that youth caps (U21 etc) do not confer notability. Number   5  7  14:53, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails WP:NFOOTY as he has not play in a FPL, Guernsey is a club team, NOT an international side just like Monaco participate in the French league system despite being a principality. As he has only got under 21 side apperances that does not confer notability I'm afraid Seasider91 (talk) 17:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There are a number of articles i've listed above totally dedicated to Mr. Black. Therefore passes WP:GNG.Simione001 (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - there's no doubt he fails WP:NFOOTY by a country mile, but the media interest he's recently attracted in Brazil (including having a documentary filmed about him by TV Globo, one of the largest TV companies in the world) means that he easily passes the general notability guideline. ★ Bald Zebra ★ talk 11:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Coverage passes GNG. It seems daft to me that the guy has played loads of games at level five in England but fails WP:NFOOTY, while someone who plays once at level four - then falls off the face of the Earth - gets a free pass. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 22:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds a bit like WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --Jimbo[online] 20:37, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Bald Zebra's links, superseding his only playing at the u21 level. matt91486 (talk) 23:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete no real coverage beyond that of WP:NTEMP and WP:ROUTINE that pass GNG. Quite clearly fails WP:NFOOTY. --Jimbo[online] 20:37, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I understand that U21 does not count towards it, but as an author of a published book and his recent media coverage in Brazil surely this is enough to meet the standards? (GsyFootball (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2012 (UTC))
 * Delete - definately fails WP:NFOOTBALL. But I can't say that he have received "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources", so he also fails WP:GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:47, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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