Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Blacketter


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was article withdrawn . Moving it to draft space, it is now at Draft:Ryan Blacketter. For simplicity, I'm doing this even tho I brought the Afd. If anyone objects, they can revert me and close themselves.  DGG ( talk ) 00:46, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Ryan Blacketter

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non notable author. His one book is in only 18 libraries, according to WorldCat.  DGG ( talk ) 02:32, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Down in the River is an independent book, and therefore its critical success, and not its sales or library reach, should be given the greatest consideration. The book and its author have received reviews from many noteworthy publications, including Paste, the Rumpus, Largehearted Boy, Small Press Book Review, The Quivering Pen, and Rightsdesk. (http://wwwliterarycraft.blogspot.com). Mitch Wieland, Marilynne Robinson, Shann Ray, Wayne Harrison, Pinckney Benedict, and David Gutowski have endorsed the book (http://wwwliterarycraft.blogspot.com).
 * Delete - does not yet meet WP:AUTHOR criteria.--Rpclod (talk) 04:02, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I added several other reviews of Down in the River, as well as short story publications by author Ryan Blacketter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pat Mortoc (talk • contribs) 13:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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 *  Delete  WP:TOOSOON Self-published first novel reviewed in small, online literary magazines, non-bluelinked . Other references are to published short stories.  to be notable, there would have to be articles discussing his novels and stories. And perhaps some day there will be.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:35, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I am troubled by what seems to be open hostility and inaccuracy in one or more of these votes to remove this page. It's true that this independent book, Down in the River (Slant Books, January 2014, ISBN 978-1-62564-037-6) is not a big seller and does not exist in many libraries. But Down in the River is not in fact "self published." It is published by Slant Books, an independent imprint edited by Gregory Wolfe, founding editor of Image journal, which has published Annie Dillard and John Updike and many other well-know authors. Another Slant author is Erin McGraw, who is a big name in literary fiction, though not a big seller.

In addition, the journals that have published reviews on Down in the River are large, respected online journals, even if some are not commercial giants. Paste Magazine is a national magazine located in Athens, GA. Its "Drinks With" interviews include an interview with David Sedaris. The Rumpus, founded by Stephen Elliott is prestigious and features many literary stars, including Richard Ford, and is located in New York City. Fiction Writers Review is also well respected nationally. Largehearted Boy is another favorite site for independent books and music, founded by David Gutowski. Inclusion in these magazines signals that the author is notable. (Pat Mortoc (talk) 15:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC))
 * Thank you for returning and blue-linking some of the journals. Please take a close look at WP:AUTHORS, and perhaps take a look at a few other Iowa-trained writers to get some perspective on the standards for creating writers' pages. WP can be puzzling to new editors, the best way to learn you way around is probably by adding content to some existing pages, and looking at AFD debates on topics  or writers you have never heard . And please understand that the editors here are not debating Blackletter's literary merit or future prospects, we are simply attempting to ascertain whether he has, to-date, been written about in a sufficient number/caliber of reliable, secondary sources. E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:16, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I believe the initial proposal to delete was sensible, as I had included scant references in this, my first Wikipedia post. Also, it's sound to wish to provide strict guidelines for inclusion. But I hope that the sensible desire to keep out meritless individuals does not amount to keeping out those whose success is noncommercial and smaller-scale but nevertheless significant. (Pat Mortoc (talk) 16:22, 19 April 2015 (UTC))


 * undecided the case for notability: long interview in Paste Magazine ; Article about author, book in hometown paper Boise Weekly    review in Fiction Writers Review and reviews in non blue-linked literary magazines.  He has had a number of short stores published in highly selective literary magazines. And publishing with a small press is highly competitive.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:03, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I have added more biographical material, in appropriate formatting, as requested, and provided more articles and references. (Pat Mortoc (talk) 20:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC))
 * User:Pat Mortoc, you can ask to take the article into your userspace, where it will be available to you and to others who can improve it, add to it as Blacketter's ouvre and reputation grow, and bring it back to mainspace when the sourcing is more persuasive.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:54, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance and recommendations. I found information on how to move a page from draft to article, but I'm having trouble with moving article to draft. It appears that I began this entry in the wrong page. (Pat Mortoc (talk) 23:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC))


 * User:DGG You must know how to do this move.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:27, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * done . It is at Draft:Ryan Blacketter.  DGG ( talk ) 00:50, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.