Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Donaldson (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Skomorokh 23:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Ryan Donaldson
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Fails WP:Bio and WP:Athlete — Preceding unsigned comment added by RM-Taylor (talk • contribs) 2009-08-07 23:33:36


 * Keep Disagree, passes WP:ATHLETE, he is fully professional with the football squad Newcastle United. Basic notability proved here, here, here and just as a primary source, here. I'm non-biased, not a fan of him or any English football team at all. Will add sources to article.  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 14:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Added sources, please note he has played first-team football (called up August 17, 2008) since last AfD.  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 14:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment The nominator added a db-repost tag as well as the AfD. However, since new sources have been added since the last AfD I'm seeing this as a good faith attempt to address the issues from the first one and I declined the speedy. No opinion (yet) on keep or delete.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  15:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  15:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - player fails WP:ATHLETE (as he hasn't actually played in a fully-pro league) and WP:GNG (as the sources are run-of-the-mill match reports for junior games, and as WP:NTEMP states, "routine news coverage of such things as announcements, sports, and tabloid journalism are not sufficient basis for a topic to have its own standalone article"). Recreate when/if he becomes notable in the future. GiantSnowman 17:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Premier Academy League is fully professional from what I have gathered, a competition Donaldson regularly competes in. Also (and I know this may be crystal balling), he seems likely to debut for the senior team from this report. I disagree it fails WP:NTEMP due to several short interviews and descriptive remarks about the player are made in seperate articles. I will add these sources to the ones already on the page (here's one and here's another).  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 07:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Premier Academy League is most definitely not fully pro, as the vast majority of players are from the clubs' youth (under-18) teams and definitely not on professional contracts -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Pardon me, I mean The Central League, this is a professional league if I am mistaken?  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 08:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, once again, no. GiantSnowman 09:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep made ist team debut at beginning of 2008/09 season in the MAllorca tournament under Kevin Keegan. Also came on as sub for home 1st team debut in 2008/09 against PSV Eindhoven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.214.141 (talk) 21:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The closest he got to being notable was being on the bench against Man Utd. Spiderone (talk) 12:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:ATHLETE, non-notable subject --Angelo (talk) 14:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Playing in friendlies is not enough to satisfy WP:ATHLETE -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment this is just ignorance, but where does it state that a friendly match doesn't count? I'm not trying to say that a friendly should count, but I'm just interested in where this fine detail comes from.  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 12:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Friendlies by their nature are not competitive matches, and clubs field all sorts of kids, non-contract players, triallists, etc. Harry Redknapp once dragged a fan who'd been abusing him at a friendly out of the crowd, kitted him up, and put him on the field.  Long-time consensus, established at far too many past AfDs to count, is that players have to have actually played a competitive first team match to meet WP:ATHLETE -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chris!  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 12:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete fails notability for sportspeople at WP:ATH. Also fails WP:GNG as there is no significant third-party media coverage except for trivial match reports that fail WP:NTEMP. --Jimbo[online] 21:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Article not notable enough,--Edward130603 (talk) 22:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


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