Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Edwards (Australian footballer)


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The result was   keep. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 06:05, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Ryan Edwards (Australian footballer)

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He has not played a professional senior game at club or international level. Article fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Also fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 06:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


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 * Comment: He has already scored a goal for Perth Glory. StAnselm (talk) 07:35, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment: A goal in a pre-season match has no bearing on whether a player passes WP:NFOOTBALL or WP:GNG. Has to be a competitive game between two professional clubs.Simione001 (talk) 10:58, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Further comment: I created this article because his name was added to Template:Perth Glory FC squad. Trying to disambiguate, I found it quite confusing that there was an English footballer of the same name born in the same year, so I thought it would be easiest to create the article to avoid the confusion. I realise the subject fails WP:NFOOTBALL, but I think it might pass WP:GNG. StAnselm (talk) 07:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 *  weak keep based on passing gng and being likely (a mild case of crystal balling) to make his NFooty satisfying senior debut when the new season commences in exactly one months time. At worst userfy until he makes his senior professional debut or doesn't, and then delete. The-Pope (talk) 08:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Aside from (which i dont believe is enough) these references are all routine... nothing especially notable here therefore fails WP:GNG. There is no guarantee that this guy is going to make an professional appearance anytime soon if ever therefore i dont think this is a suitable candidate for crystal ball. By all means userfy.Simione001 (talk) 11:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: An AAP story about him being signed on a major news website is significant coverage. Being given #4 to wear indicates that he will probably be in the first team.  Deleting this one month before he has a chance to meet WP:NFOOTY is just silly. The-Pope (talk) 12:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That really doesn't satisfy GNG, and it's not significant coverage. It's routine coverage, as it's a routine piece about a completed transfer. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 13:01, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Userfy - Fails GNG, as he has only received routine coverage, and fails NFOOTY, as he is yet to play a professional game. There is no guarantee that he will ever meet NFOOTY, yet alone in a month's time; he might get a serious injury during training, and have his career ended, or all sorts of other things. Userfying is the best answer here. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 13:01, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes GNG per The Pope. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment The pope didnt say that the articles passes GNG...Simione001 (talk) 00:43, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes I did: "weak keep based on passing gng" Since then I've found more refs that show it too. The-Pope (talk) 03:19, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Coverage is not significant, relates to his famous dad and the fact he has signed for a club. GiantSnowman 17:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Your dedication to the sanctity of WP:NFOOTBALL is admirable, but you do realise that this, this or this sort of coverage is the most any Australian domestic footballer in the A-League will ever get, almost certainly more than he'll get when he makes his debut (and satsifies NFOOTY)? Maybe a championship winning captain, or record breaker or something might get a bit more, but that is absolutely the most significant coverage any non-international player will ever get.  He's been allocated a low jersey number, he's playing and scoring in the warm up games, he's got dedicated articles in state and national newspapers about him and the season doesn't start for another month (October 13 is first game), so if there ever was a reason to bend/delay the application of the NFOOTY rules for a month, this is it. As the season gets closer, especially if he continues to play in warmup games, people will look for information on him, so even userfying defeats the main purpose we are writing this encyclopedia - which is not to maintain the NFOOTY rules - but to provide verifiable information to readers. The-Pope (talk) 01:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per The Pope. Seems to just pass WP:GNG, and failing that, this seems a situation where (within the limits outlined above) we can appeal to WP:IAR. Disclaimer: I am the article creator - see above. StAnselm (talk) 04:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per The-Pope. Also, there is a family issue here in the notability, as he has joined the team his father coaches and his brother plays in. --SuperJew (talk) 21:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
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