Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Holle


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The result was keep. John254 02:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ryan Holle

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This is a page for Ryan Holle, who has been convicted of one murder. There is no other claim of notability, and I can't find one from a g-search. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and from a BLP perspective, we generally don't have articles on people that are famous for one event.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  22:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The conviction is actually more notable than the original crime, as he was convicted of murder for letting a friend borrow his car, under a debatable application of the felony murder rule. The 2004 conviction has been a matter of ongoing press coverage, such as a two page article about it in last week's New York Times. That makes 3 or perhaps 4 events, not one: lending out his car, the murder committed by someone transported in the car, his conviction and sentence to life without parole, and the notable discussion of the conviction. I'll try to expand the article in light of the AFD proposal though. -- Kendrick7talk 23:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw that he was convicted via the felony murder rule from the g-search, and also that it was because he let a friend borrow his car - I'm still not convinced that gives sufficient notability, and it is still centred around one conviction for a relatively common crime.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  23:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. Lending out your car is not generally regarded as a "common crime." -- Kendrick7talk 23:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That might make the case more notable but not the person. Perhaps this should be an article on the legal case, if that's the important aspect. --Lquilter (talk) 20:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I noticed the AFD nomination on this article which was self-nominated for DYK. I'm more in favor of DYK.  Getting life without parole for lending your car is definitely news, and has been discusses in multiple nontrivial sources that are found at the bottom of the article.  I have no problems with notability here. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 03:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep While ordinary murderers are generally underserving of articles, this is a special case. The article asserts sufficient notability. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 07:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, encyclopedic, well sourced, well written. Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 08:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep published sources indicate he is a person of considerable public interest &lt;eleland/talkedits&gt; 20:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep there are special consideration here indeed--it might be this case which leads to the change in the felony murder rule. DGG (talk) 05:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep If this is legally notable, it should be available. Would you take away a wiki page for Sacco and Vanzetti? --King Greebo (talk) 17:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The article is brief and factual.  I disagree about the way the term "felony murder" is used in this case -- in my opinion "accomplice accountability" is more appropriate -- but it is a common confusion these days.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.96.157 (talk) 21:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


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