Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan McDougle


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Straight NPOL pass given that he held state office. Permastubs are not illegal. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 22:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Ryan McDougle

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Reason Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 20:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The page seems to fall under WP:NTEMP considering the fact that I tried to aid the article on my own but to no avail, as there were only passing mentions reported on the subject, there's no sufficient evidence on articles outside the Wikipedia to help improve and move this page past the stub class. Another factor to consider, is the last time an editor worked on the article was in 2018 to switch categories, not even to improve the article and the article was updated a year and a month later by a bot attempting to fix a dead link. I feel it should be deleted but would like to hear other opinions as well.
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 * Keep per WP:NPOL. NPOL states that politicians who have held office in state legislators are inherently notable. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm a little confused, even if the article can't be updated due to no proper sources and hasn't been updated for the last two years, it can still be there?, won't it remain a stub forever in this case?


 * Keep. Yes, the article needs some improvement, so by all means tag it for refimprove — but state legislators have a straight pass of WP:NPOL #1. For a person who's been in office since 2002, not all of his potential sourcing will Google well — Google is not a good way to find any media coverage older than the past couple of years, and is a complete waste of time for even attempting to find coverage that would have existed 15 or 20 years ago. But we don't actually have any rule that our sources have to be web-published — rather, we are allowed to cite print-only sources, such as 20 year old newspaper or magazine articles or books, without hotlinking them anywhere. When it comes to politicians, we do have a tendency to be somewhat lazy about actually writing substantive or well-sourced articles, and too often just rest on "s/he exists as a politician, the end" — but we also consider it part of our core mandate to be as complete as feasibly possible a reference for all NPOL-passing officeholders rather than just an arbitrary subset of them. And we don't have a deadline, either: the fact that the article hasn't been worked on lately is also not a deletion criterion. So the current quality of the article is not controlling: the fact that he held an NPOL-passing office is. Bearcat (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep member of the Senate of Virginia. Passes WP:NPOL by virtue of his position in the Virginia legislature. --Enos733 (talk) 04:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep clearly a notable politician. More sourcing and more substantive materials are needed. However Wikipedia is not supposed to be presentist. It is, we have way, way more coverage of people elected to state and national legislatures since 2000 than for any point before that, but our goal is something else, and we need to move towards that goal not delte articles a little lacking in sourcing. If you want a real good project try digging up some good sourcing on Norman Kaumosi. He was a member of the national legislature in Zaire, and might pass notability from his role as an airline executive. I have not really ever found sources that under normal conditions would pass GNG, but they are enough to show he exists, and we need more sourcing on him. If there are sources they are probably in French or Lingala, except I do not know much of anything gets written in Lingala, so almost certainly French.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Member of the Virginia State Legislature, to quote WP:NPOL: Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. Lefcentreright  Talk  (plz ping) 20:27, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


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