Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Moore (American football)


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The result was   no consensus. v/r - TP 01:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Ryan Moore (American football)

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Fails WP:Athlete. Never appeared in a professional game and didnt have a notable college career. Yankees10 03:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete, practice squad member with no evidence of meeting WP:ATHLETE. -- Kinu  t/c 23:14, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete while I am finding some coverage around the time of his college career, most of it seems to be about his encounters with law enforcement and not his athletic ability--and of that it all appears to be local, routine coverage. There is some mention in a SI article, but it looks like most of it is pay-per-view sources per my google search.  I would change my position if independent, reliable sources were provided to show notability to pass WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * On fence. College football players qualify under WP:GNG if they have received significant, non-trivial coverage in mainstream media sources.  Moore has received a good deal of non-trivial coverage, including extensive national coverage at ESPN.com and USA Today.  Also quite a bit in major metropolitan newspapers, including Orlando Sentinel (34th in circulation in US), South Florida Sun-Sentinel (40th in circulation in US), Miami Herald (41st in US), and The Palm Beach Post (68th in US).  But, as Paul M. noted, much of it relates to his off-the-field suspension for rules violations and criminal charges against him.  I expect coverage of his criminal activities would not weigh as heavily in support of notability as his actual accomplishments as a player.  I don't have time today to evaluate the coverage carefully enough to definitively vote "keep" or "delete," but for those interested in looking more closely, examples of coverage include: (1) Moore Wants Major Role, Miami Herald, November 29, 2004; (2) Injury Offers Moore Lesson in Philosophy, South Florida Sun - Sentinel, Nov 30, 2004; (3) Miami WR Moore gets first playing time of season, Associated Press, November 5, 2006; (4) UM's Moore shows glimpse of ability, The News Press (Fort Myers, Fla.), Jan 1, 2007; (5) UM's Moore is his own worst enemy; Thankful for yet another chance, the Dr. Phillips grad blames himself for his woes, Orlando Sentinel, Dec 30, 2006; (6) Repentant Moore Grateful to be Back, South Florida Sun - Sentinel, Dec. 29, 2006;  (7) Moore Miami problems: WR likely to face felony charge, ESPN.com, October 2006; (8) WR Moore's Charges Upgraded to Felony, South Florida Sun - Sentinel, Oct 27, 2006; (9) Miami suspends receiver Moore for Peach Bowl, ESPN.com, Dec. 2005; (10) End not in sight for Miami WR Moore's suspension, ESPN.com, Aug. 2006; (11) Miami needs to cut ties with Moore, ESPN.com, Aug. 2006; (12) Police: Miami WR Moore grabbed, pushed woman, ESPN.com, Aug. 2006; (13) Miami's Moore pleads no contest in assault case, ESPN.com, Nov. 2006; (14) Still under suspension, Moore back on practice field for Miami, USA Today, Oct. 2006; (15) WR Moore in Trouble Yet Again, Miami Herald, Aug. 2006; (16) Moore Working to Polish His Image, South Florida Sun - Sentinel, Aug 8, 2006; (17) Moore's Decision to Return Is a Chance for Redemption, Palm Beach Post, August 8, 2006. Cbl62 (talk) 08:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't appear to pass to WP:GNG, despite sources provided by Cbl.-- Giants27 ( T  |  C )  02:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NCOLLATH. Moore was a Parade All-American and USA Today first-team All-American in high school.--TM 03:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything about High School All-Americans being notable.--Yankees10 04:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Players are deemed notable if they "gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team." Being named to an All-American team is having gained national media attention as an individual.--TM 13:33, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:RELISTINGISEVIL This one has clear consensus, no need to relist.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Disagree Paul. No one addressed either my concern or the numerous articles which help the article pass GNG. Judging by the number of articles specifically about Moore, it looks like he passes GNG as well as NCOLLATH.


 * Keep subject meets WP:GNG and WP:NCOLLATH. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:22, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment there is nothing in the article or in any sources provided that I can find about any major award or named "All-American" and the coverage that I see is mostly about his criminal record, which is just routine coverage. From what I can read, he's a guy who got kicked off a college team for getting in trouble with the law and is now trying to use Wikipedia for personal gain to improve his chances of getting picked up by a pro team.  Wikipedia is not a free web hosting server.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok Paul, I will put it down here here (again). I placed it above when I initially commented. "Selected as a Parade All-American and USA Today first-team All-American"--TM 16:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Response high school awards generally don't meet the threshold for GNG, and a passing mention at a non-independent source doesn't add any weight. I have found no reliable third-party sources so I see no reason to change my position at this time.  Try another wiki.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok How about USA Today as a source? It isn't exactly a controversial statement. IMO, it is national recognition by national media for his individual talent, not as part of a larger team. It seems clear to me.--TM 16:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also this article by ESPN focuses on his football career, not on the incident. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 17:26, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Listing in a table doesn't do it for me on that alone. The other one at ESPN simply states that he might return and might not.  A feature article, yes--but it just doesn't do it for me in this case.  We still come back to a player that hasn't done anything but get arrested.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 'Moore' weapons for third ranked Miami is, despite the terrible pun in the title, an Associated Press article distinctly about the high level recruit. I rest my case. High school All-Americans who play at the highest level college football programs are usually going to have press coverage as well as passing NCOLLATH.--TM 12:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:WABBITSEASON cheers!--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * DONTBEADICK--TM 18:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh? Disagreeing with you is not personal.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - passes GNG based on sources listed by User:Cbl62 Thanks, Cbl.   Th e S te ve   03:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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