Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan kershaw


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 15:18, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Ryan kershaw

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Doesn't seem to be a notable person.The article is in bad shape too.  TheStrike  Σagle   10:47, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Fails WP:NOTABILITY and is written like an advertisement.Lack of reliable sources to assert significance.More of a biography than a wikipedia article  TheStrike  Σagle   11:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: 'Seem' is not a criterion  for deletion. Nor is 'bad shape'. Could you  please quote from  policies or notability  guidelines that apply. I'm  also  wondering  why  you  did not  PROD it  first before bringing  it  here. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete completely fails WP:GNG; sources are not independent (ryankershaw.com), I wouldn't call the articles from nzmusic.org "significant" coverage either. Finally, and this is not criteria for deletion, but rather for being moved, the article should be Ryan Kershaw, not Ryan kershaw. Go Phightins! (talk) 14:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as does not meet WP:MUSBIO NealeFamily (talk) 22:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: It Does meet WP:MUSBIO and Bands as this artist is still being played on the radio meeting criteria 11, meets criteria 1 - Been published in reliable sources, newpapers and notable music websites such as the MMF website. Also criteria 9 and 10 -  has  won notable music awards with Battle of the Bands and won the "Mentoring for Success" by the Music Manager Forum and PPNZ this year.   SarahT1982 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 07:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, with no prejudice for relisting should the article author turn out to be a WP:SPA or have a significant WP:COI. The article history indicates it was created less than half an hour before being proposed for deletion.  Subsequent edits appear to have added enough references (poorly formatted, admittedly) to support general notability. Come on, people, don't bite the newbies.  I concur with the above comment that the page should be renamed.Vulcan&#39;s Forge (talk) 04:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Regrettably, I'm afraid that the references in the article aren't persuasive that this individual is notable, even by WP:MUSICBIO criteria.  The MMF Mentoring Success Award citation doesn't explain much about itself, so we can't tell the reasoning behind the award.  Was he mentored successfully?  Mentored others successfully?  Can't tell.  The Libel reference is a concert announcment, clearly not usable as a source for notability.  The Eastern Courier article might prove to be a RS if I could actually read the article, but since it's just a screen shot and can't be enlarged, it's usefullness is limited... but in this case, I'll give benefit of doubt.  The Muzic.net link is not a reliable source as there's no evidence of nor is it commonly known to provide independent coverage nor fact checking.  While I believe the Times is a reliable source, this article barely mentions Kershaw and instead focuses primarily on his bandmate.  The rest of the references are tour announcements or passing coverage.  I don't see sufficient reliable sources indicating notability.  I believe this does not pass WP:MUSICBIO.  I see no evidence that the artist is in regular radio rotation or has achieved chart success in NZ or elsewhere.  For reference to this, I looked here.  I'm sensitive to User:Vulcan's Forge admonition to not bite the newbies, thought I think there's sufficient evidence to suspect that this is an WP:SPA without having to wait much longer.   There are also enough tidbits of data presented in the article (e.g. "born with two holes in his heart") that I see in none of the biographical sources noted to persuade me to think this article to be written by it's subject or at the very least, based on unsupported WP:OR. I would even accept some of it per WP:SELFPUB if it were at least referenced elsewhere, such as on his website.  Otherwise, it's completely unsubstantiated.   While I fully support WP:ATD, I'm not seeing enough RS coverage on which to build an article.  Messiness notwithstading, it should be deleted.  Vertium '' When all is said and done 10:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Almost  an edit conflict while I  was doing the same research  and came to exactly the same conclusions as Vertium. No  inline references and very little of the actual content can be verifiedKudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
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