Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rzeczpospolita (disambiguation)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Rzeczpospolita (disambiguation)

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Unnecessary disambiguation page. There are only two articles with the word "Rzeczpospolita" in their titles that might need disambiguation: Rzeczpospolita (the main topic, with an appropriate hatnote) and Rzeczpospolita (newspaper) (already disambiguated in the title). — Kpalion(talk) 20:09, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions.  —— Kpalion(talk) 20:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  —— Kpalion(talk) 20:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ This disambiguation page, basically, I started just to take into account the term Rzeczpospolita Polska, which is a redirection, not a standalone article. In principle, there is no essential need to keep this disambiguation page, because the two most important concepts are "resolved" by the appropriate entry within the article Rzeczpospolita. Therefore, I believe that it can be deleted, without harming the transparency and accuracy of the topic. --Robsuper (talk) 21:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 08:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete This should be handled with a hatnote, not a DAB page. --MelanieN (talk) 01:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete per nom, I don't think an AfD was really necessary here. Hut 8.5 11:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - there's three links - Rzeczpospolita (the newspaper), Rzeczpospolita (as used as part of the official name of the current Polish state) and Rzeczpospolita (an endonym for the current and past polish states). I think use of the term in multiple ways requires the need for the disambig page. Ajh1492 (talk) 22:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Technically when you search on Rzeczpospolita in EN:WP you get 5 hits. I've updated the disambig to reflect that. Ajh1492 (talk) 11:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "A disambiguation page is not a list of dictionary definitions... [or] a search index. Do not add a link that merely contains part of the page title, or a link that includes the page title in a longer proper name, where there is no significant risk of confusion." I think, Ajh1942, that you should familiarize yourself with WP:DABNOT. — Kpalion(talk) 09:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Three links present --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment to the two "keeps" above: the question is, how likely is it that someone looking for an article about Poland in English Wikipedia will type "Rzeczpospolita" in the search box? If you find it likely, then the disambiguation page may be useful. If not, then the third link is unnecessary, and with only two links (one of them to a primary topic), you don't need a disambig. page. Please reconsider. — Kpalion(talk) 10:36, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have a crystal ball, do you? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No, but I have common sense.
 * I'm with Richard Arthur Norton. Szzuk (talk) 21:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * People who type "I have common sense" are just saying the other person is an idiot, and I find that insulting. I cannot predict why anyone would come to any entry in Wikipedia except myself. I would come to the page "Rzeczpospolita" if I came across the term while reading and I would type it into Wikipedia to try and find out what it meant and why it was used in what I was reading. If the information at "Rzeczpospolita" didn't seem to fit I would go to "Rzeczpospolita (disambiguation)" to see if any other meanings fit. Just as I do for any person or place I come across I am not familiar with. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * So my question is, why would the information at Rzeczpospolita not fit? It explains the meaning of the term, it does say that it's most commonly used nowadays to refer to Poland (and links to Poland), and it lists all historical political entities that had "Rzeczpospolita" in their names. What's the point of duplicating part of that information in a disambiguation page? I apologize for for the "common sense" bit. — Kpalion(talk) 06:19, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The links on the disambig page were removed even though we have no consensus here in the discussion. I've reverted them and ask for them not to be deleted until we reach a consensus. Ajh1492 (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm not going to revert-war with you. All I can say, again, is read WP:DABNOT, especially the bit I quoted above. — Kpalion(talk) 09:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. There are 3 links. Szzuk (talk) 21:32, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you even look at that page? There have been five links there since 19:06, 20 April 2011. Three of these don't need to be disambiguated, though. — Kpalion(talk) 22:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I did. It is obvious two of those links shouldn't be there. The other 3 are fine. I will send your own question back to you - is it impossible that someone looking for an article about Poland in English Wikipedia will type "Rzeczpospolita" in the search box? Szzuk (talk) 22:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Not impossible, of course, but I find it unlikely. Do we disambiguate La Repubblica because it could refer to Italy? Does La République redirect to France? — Kpalion(talk) 06:09, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * So we have 3 valid links, one of which will be little used. Szzuk (talk) 08:38, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Unless I'm mistaken, the word "Rzeczpospolita" just means "republic" in Polish. While it's kinda weird to have one of the links be to the Poland page because it's only part of the full name, it does seem harmless, and is a somewhat reasonable search possibility. Yaksar (let's chat) 02:04, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The usage of this term is, of course, possible, mainly by persons from the circle of Polish language. When I started this disambiguation page, modeled on existing ones, such as Hellas (disambiguation) and Italia (disambiguation). At present, I join the supporters of leaving this explanatory page – after all a bit Polish, in terms of native language and meaning. I believe that this site just does not harm, and may help someone in tracing what interests him. Moreover, as the entries referring to the term Rzeczpospolita will arrive (and I hope it will so), then the disambiguation will be increasingly necessary. --Robsuper (talk) 09:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.