Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Süleyman Çelikyurt (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Süleyman Çelikyurt
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The last afd resulted in no consensus due to disagreement whether or not playing in the Turkish 2nd division confers notability or not. In recent afd's (here and here) the decision was that it does not. His playing time in Germany was always for reserve teams playing in the fourth division or lower, which does not confer notability either. Most importantly, he has not received significant coverage. Of the sources listed three are player profiles, three are routine transfer announcements, and one is a squad list. Therefore, the article fails WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:35, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails notability guidelines. – Michael (talk) 23:25, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Neither of those discussions actually touch on the subject if the 1.Lig is a "fully professional" league. Sources for it being a professional league are easy to find (finding a source including the exact term fully professional is unfortunately difficult for leagues with very little English language coverage), attendances are comparable to the English League Two or the German 3rd division (http://www.mavisimsekler.com/zmanset/en-fazla-biletli-seyirci-adana-demirspor.html), and the clubs sign foreign players from unquestionably professional leagues, who most likely won't play there for free (e.g. from the 2. Bundesliga, Jupiler League, Scandinavian and Eastern European first division leagues). The last two points indicate that the Turkish FA's definition of professional can be read fullfilling the criteria here.Alexpostfacto (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 14:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep - I continue to believe that the article passes the GNG and it is very possible that the Turkish second level is fully-pro. Online Turkish-language sources are difficult to find for me, but there is enough here to warrant keeping the article. Jogurney (talk) 19:38, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - I don't think the nominator is correct that the previous AfD reached no concensus because of uncertainty about the fully-pro status of the Turkish league. Instead, editors were split about whether the article satisfied the GNG. I've added another article of significant coverage to show that GNG is truly met here. Jogurney (talk) 19:48, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - Has any Turkish speaking user comment on this subject? I mean the full pro status of turkish second divison? I find it hard to believe a country so fanatic with football only has 1 fully pro league. I would go with Alexpostfacto point, maybe the lack of verifiable sources in english is the problem.--Threeohsix (talk) 21:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:18, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  01:15, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.